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Lambo

Posted: 07/20/2014 4:18 AM

Lambo 


4 for 4 with 2 HR last night. 7 for 12 since being back. I hope they're getting him reps at 1B.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 10:12 AM

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Yeah, hopefully he is picking right back up where he left off before the injury.  He was arguably outhitting Polanco at the time.  If Davis doesn't do his normal trend and have a huge second half, it is nice to know that the Pirates have another solid option to go with.  At the very least Lambo could be a boost to the bench in the second half as a left-handed power bat.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:57 PM

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I do not think Lambo will have more than limited success at the ML level, but he has shown that he needs to moved up so we can find out. He has nothing left to prove at AAA. I dont like bringing him up in the middle of a pennant race however. I dont want him to come up and try to adjust to ML pitching like he did last year in Sept and hit .223 as the RH portion of a platoon.

Even thought I dont think Lambo will be more than a AAAA player, he has earned a look at the ML level... a serious look. I would like to see that look to start next season and not in August or Sept this year. I still hope the Pirates address the 1B this season, but would like to see Lambo next April get a shot.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:13 PM

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He just has to be better than Davis. Do you really think the bar is that high? Why do you think he's a AAAA player? That's just a guess? You'd give Mercer some slack in his first season as a starter, but Lambo is a bum because of a couple ABs at the end of last season? He was considered a high end talent at one time. This isn't really coming out of no where. He may be a AAAA player, but to say you think he is based on last season's ML results in a very small amount if AB's (30) is just a stab in the dark.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:39 PM

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BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: He just has to be better than Davis. Do you really think the bar is that high? Why do you think he's a AAAA player? That's just a guess? You'd give Mercer some slack in his first season as a starter, but Lambo is a bum because of a couple ABs at the end of last season? He was considered a high end talent at one time. This isn't really coming out of no where. He may be a AAAA player, but to say you think he is based on last season's ML results in a very small amount if AB's (30) is just a stab in the dark.
I still think that Lambo's numbers have been aided by something other than vitamins. Simply looking at his stats, watching him play, the few games I have, I just dont see more than a AAAA at best. I also dont see much or any power at the ML level.

Like I said, he has earned the right to compete for the ML job and I WANT to see him get that shot. I have no special stat or reason based on anything other than gut feeling based on what I saw.

Also, I find it really strange that he would have been passed over for Ishikawa and then Davis rather than give Lambo that shot. I think even the Pirates feel he is a guy that will be a AAA star, but simply average at the ML level. Like I said, he has earned the right for a look and I hope he gets it, but something to me just does not say he is going to be more than a Travis Snider type player.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 5:10 PM

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I would trade places with Polanco now. Looks like Polanco needs to be sent back down to find his groove.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 6:33 PM

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vinnybravo wrote: I do not think Lambo will have more than limited success at the ML level, but he has shown that he needs to moved up so we can find out. He has nothing left to prove at AAA. I dont like bringing him up in the middle of a pennant race however. I dont want him to come up and try to adjust to ML pitching like he did last year in Sept and hit .223 as the RH portion of a platoon.

Even thought I dont think Lambo will be more than a AAAA player, he has earned a look at the ML level... a serious look. I would like to see that look to start next season and not in August or Sept this year. I still hope the Pirates address the 1B this season, but would like to see Lambo next April get a shot.

And next spring training he could crap the bed and they can give the starting job to the next Ishikawa,

Spring training stats are meaningless.  Lambo should of gotten a shot from opening day and then you would of had an idea about him.  Perhaps you don't make the trade for Ike Davis because Lambo is playing well.

I agree now it becomes an issue with Lambo.  He's hitting extremely well.  However Davis is out of options so if you call up Lambo now then you have to carry 3 first baseman which puts your roster in a crunch.  Snider is doing well as a pinch hitter so you want to keep him and Polanco is in a little slump but that's what happens with young players.  He's still getting in base at a high clip and eventually he will turn things around.

This was an issue that was very badly handled by the Pirates and caused them to lose a very good prospect in the process.  They also didn't answer any questions about the first base issue.  If anything they simply created more of them.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 7:01 PM

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The legend of Lambo grows.

Management has never shown any confidence in him. We'll see.

0-5 today.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 7:09 PM

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gr1111 wrote: The legend of Lambo grows.

Management has never shown any confidence in him. We'll see.

0-5 today.

You're right.  Clearly Travis Ishikawa was the answer.

Ike Davis entered todays game with a .690 OPS as a Pirate.

Andrew Lambo has a career .703 OPS as a major leaguer.  Last year he had a .933 OPS in AAA.  He was tearing the cover off the ball at the time of the Davis trade with an OPS above 1.000 in AAA this season.

Perhaps if he gets called up to the majors he doesn't hurt his hand.  If he did hurt his hand in the majors then you can make the Davis trade.

The end result is that zero questions have been answered about Lambo.  Matt Adams was able to become a productive major leaguer because he was a young guy that was given a chance.  He wasn't really seen as much in the minors.  If the Cardinals, an organization with a much higher payroll can be comfortable giving their young players an opportunity over acquiring flawed players or starting 30 year old journeyman like Ishikawa then why can't the Pirates?

Maybe Lambo is the answer and maybe he isn't.  We still haven't found out.  It's asinine that he wasn't given the job on opening day and that he has yet to have a major league at bat this season.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 8:00 PM

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bocacanes wrote: I would trade places with Polanco now. Looks like Polanco needs to be sent back down to find his groove.
Polanco isn't going anywhere.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 8:04 PM

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katoy2j wrote:
gr1111 wrote: The legend of Lambo grows.

Management has never shown any confidence in him. We'll see.

0-5 today.

You're right.  Clearly Travis Ishikawa was the answer.

Ike Davis entered todays game with a .690 OPS as a Pirate.

Andrew Lambo has a career .703 OPS as a major leaguer.  Last year he had a .933 OPS in AAA.  He was tearing the cover off the ball at the time of the Davis trade with an OPS above 1.000 in AAA this season.

Perhaps if he gets called up to the majors he doesn't hurt his hand.  If he did hurt his hand in the majors then you can make the Davis trade.

The end result is that zero questions have been answered about Lambo.  Matt Adams was able to become a productive major leaguer because he was a young guy that was given a chance.  He wasn't really seen as much in the minors.  If the Cardinals, an organization with a much higher payroll can be comfortable giving their young players an opportunity over acquiring flawed players or starting 30 year old journeyman like Ishikawa then why can't the Pirates?

Maybe Lambo is the answer and maybe he isn't.  We still haven't found out.  It's asinine that he wasn't given the job on opening day and that he has yet to have a major league at bat this season.
Like some others I'm not confident Lambo is the answer to the first base question. But this Spring would've been the time to find out. No sane person thought Ishikawa was the answer to anything.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 8:46 PM

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This spring was the time to find out. But Lambo, by his own admission, came to camp unprepared and couldn't hit water from a boat.

He didn't earn a spot on the team - simple as that. As a result, the team broke camp without a lefty 1B and Ike became necessary.

Similarly, management didn't bring him up early last year, despite all the minor league homers, and when they finally did, he didn't show much.

It makes no difference what I think of Lambo. If he comes up and does great, nobody will be happier than me. I'm a Pirates fan, nothing more or less. The only important question here is what does Neil Huntington think of Lambo, and is he going to give him another chance anytime soon.


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katoy2j wrote:
gr1111 wrote: The legend of Lambo grows.

Management has never shown any confidence in him. We'll see.

0-5 today.

You're right.  Clearly Travis Ishikawa was the answer.

Ike Davis entered todays game with a .690 OPS as a Pirate.

Andrew Lambo has a career .703 OPS as a major leaguer.  Last year he had a .933 OPS in AAA.  He was tearing the cover off the ball at the time of the Davis trade with an OPS above 1.000 in AAA this season.

Perhaps if he gets called up to the majors he doesn't hurt his hand.  If he did hurt his hand in the majors then you can make the Davis trade.

The end result is that zero questions have been answered about Lambo.  Matt Adams was able to become a productive major leaguer because he was a young guy that was given a chance.  He wasn't really seen as much in the minors.  If the Cardinals, an organization with a much higher payroll can be comfortable giving their young players an opportunity over acquiring flawed players or starting 30 year old journeyman like Ishikawa then why can't the Pirates?

Maybe Lambo is the answer and maybe he isn't.  We still haven't found out.  It's asinine that he wasn't given the job on opening day and that he has yet to have a major league at bat this season.
Like some others I'm not confident Lambo is the answer to the first base question. But this Spring would've been the time to find out. No sane person thought Ishikawa was the answer to anything.

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Posted: 07/21/2014 4:40 AM

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At the time, I was ok with the Pirates sending Lambo back to AAA out of Spring Training. He was lost at the plate and looked like he needed some time to get back into the groove.

Looking back though, that was a mistake and I think I was wrong. My thoughts are a complete 180 on it now.  The reason is not so much that Lambo was so good and would be a big time 1st basemen or anything like that. It was the person replacing him, Ishakawa. If that was the best option to replace him, they might as well just had Lambo go out and play and hope he plays through his spring training slump.

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Posted: 07/21/2014 6:55 AM

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I really don't get what people aren't understanding about that.  Lambo himself said he didn't put the work in during the offseason, he developed bad habits and that he wasn't ready. 

gr1111 wrote: This spring was the time to find out. But Lambo, by his own admission, came to camp unprepared and couldn't hit water from a boat.

He didn't earn a spot on the team - simple as that. As a result, the team broke camp without a lefty 1B and Ike became necessary.

Similarly, management didn't bring him up early last year, despite all the minor league homers, and when they finally did, he didn't show much.

It makes no difference what I think of Lambo. If he comes up and does great, nobody will be happier than me. I'm a Pirates fan, nothing more or less. The only important question here is what does Neil Huntington think of Lambo, and is he going to give him another chance anytime soon.


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katoy2j wrote:
gr1111 wrote: The legend of Lambo grows.

Management has never shown any confidence in him. We'll see.

0-5 today.

You're right.  Clearly Travis Ishikawa was the answer.

Ike Davis entered todays game with a .690 OPS as a Pirate.

Andrew Lambo has a career .703 OPS as a major leaguer.  Last year he had a .933 OPS in AAA.  He was tearing the cover off the ball at the time of the Davis trade with an OPS above 1.000 in AAA this season.

Perhaps if he gets called up to the majors he doesn't hurt his hand.  If he did hurt his hand in the majors then you can make the Davis trade.

The end result is that zero questions have been answered about Lambo.  Matt Adams was able to become a productive major leaguer because he was a young guy that was given a chance.  He wasn't really seen as much in the minors.  If the Cardinals, an organization with a much higher payroll can be comfortable giving their young players an opportunity over acquiring flawed players or starting 30 year old journeyman like Ishikawa then why can't the Pirates?

Maybe Lambo is the answer and maybe he isn't.  We still haven't found out.  It's asinine that he wasn't given the job on opening day and that he has yet to have a major league at bat this season.
Like some others I'm not confident Lambo is the answer to the first base question. But this Spring would've been the time to find out. No sane person thought Ishikawa was the answer to anything.

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Posted: 07/21/2014 7:38 AM

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2 counterpoints to that....

1) I wouldn't necessarily take his comments as gospel of what he was really thinking. His comments could have been him just being a good soldier and not saying something to go against the Management team. He could have been telling the truth also but my point is just that people say things all the time to the media trying to say the right things instead of what they really feel.

2) The bigger counterpoint... the alternative was Travis Ishakawa....Not a legit alternative, it was Travis Ishakawa.
GhostOfPBG wrote: I really don't get what people aren't understanding about that.  Lambo himself said he didn't put the work in during the offseason, he developed bad habits and that he wasn't ready. 

gr1111 wrote: This spring was the time to find out. But Lambo, by his own admission, came to camp unprepared and couldn't hit water from a boat.

He didn't earn a spot on the team - simple as that. As a result, the team broke camp without a lefty 1B and Ike became necessary.

Similarly, management didn't bring him up early last year, despite all the minor league homers, and when they finally did, he didn't show much.

It makes no difference what I think of Lambo. If he comes up and does great, nobody will be happier than me. I'm a Pirates fan, nothing more or less. The only important question here is what does Neil Huntington think of Lambo, and is he going to give him another chance anytime soon.


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katoy2j wrote:
gr1111 wrote: The legend of Lambo grows.

Management has never shown any confidence in him. We'll see.

0-5 today.

You're right.  Clearly Travis Ishikawa was the answer.

Ike Davis entered todays game with a .690 OPS as a Pirate.

Andrew Lambo has a career .703 OPS as a major leaguer.  Last year he had a .933 OPS in AAA.  He was tearing the cover off the ball at the time of the Davis trade with an OPS above 1.000 in AAA this season.

Perhaps if he gets called up to the majors he doesn't hurt his hand.  If he did hurt his hand in the majors then you can make the Davis trade.

The end result is that zero questions have been answered about Lambo.  Matt Adams was able to become a productive major leaguer because he was a young guy that was given a chance.  He wasn't really seen as much in the minors.  If the Cardinals, an organization with a much higher payroll can be comfortable giving their young players an opportunity over acquiring flawed players or starting 30 year old journeyman like Ishikawa then why can't the Pirates?

Maybe Lambo is the answer and maybe he isn't.  We still haven't found out.  It's asinine that he wasn't given the job on opening day and that he has yet to have a major league at bat this season.
Like some others I'm not confident Lambo is the answer to the first base question. But this Spring would've been the time to find out. No sane person thought Ishikawa was the answer to anything.

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Posted: 07/21/2014 7:50 AM

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Theres a big difference between not putting in the work and not getting the results.

Lambo went to winter ball and learned a new defensive position.  He played a lot of baseball.  His defense was better than the team expected so it's pretty clear that he did what he needed to do and worked his butt off.

Not putting the time in to do what you need to do is very different than not getting results in a short sample of at bats.  There was never any issue with the work ethic of Lambo.  He simply struggled in 40 spring training at bats.  If the team had a legitimate first base option then putting Lambo in AAA would of been the right thing to do.  However the team had Ishikawa so it was a horrid move.  If you're judging a player off of 40 at bats, especially one that hit over 30 homers in the minors last year that's a very short sighted move.  Travis Ishikawa was garbage and we all knew he would be because he's always has been.  Had those at bats he gotten went to Lambo you would of had at least a better idea of what you had.  At worst he would of been as bad as Ishikawa and at that point you can make a move.  If they were willing to possibly struggle with first base production with Ishikawa they should of been willing to do it with Lambo.  If they both bomb then there is no difference but at least Lambo has an upside.  If Lambo does well you save millions of dollars because you don't pay Ishikawa a million dollars for a couple weeks of work and you don't have to pay Ike Davis 3.5 million to do what Lambo likely could of done.  You also don't surrender a pretty good prospect.


Instead you still have questions about everyone in the situation.  Is now the time to throw Lambo in the first base mix when you're in the middle of trying to make the playoffs?  What if Ike Davis still isn't playing well in a few weeks?  What then?  Are you going to go with Lambo or are you going to surrender even more assets to try and find a first baseman in trade in August.  It's a massive blunder to have started Lambo in the minors.  The team wasted dollars, player assets, development time and production with the move.  If the Pirates are to be successful for any meaningful amount of time it will be because they trust their young players to run with an opportunity when they're ready.  Lambo has absolutely nothing left to prove in the minors.  He beat up AAA pitching last year and he's doing it again this year.  The minor leagues are about development and Lambo can learn nothing at this point in AAA.  What he needs is the time in the majors to adjust.  The problem is there will likely be an adjustment period.  You want that to happen in April tough, not in July and August.  So the situation is a really difficult one but the Pirates have no one to blame but themselves for creating the problem.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 9:37 AM

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Lambo didn't play well enough to make the team. End of story.

I will trust Neil Huntington's judgment on this one. He has the most information to make the decision and a good track record to date on most things.

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Posted: 07/21/2014 10:09 AM

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gr1111 wrote: The legend of Lambo grows.

Management has never shown any confidence in him. We'll see.

0-5 today.

The fact that you are rooting for Lambo to fail just so you'll "be right" is disturbing.  If you're a Pirate fan, you should never root for a player to fail.  And don't tell me you aren't, this sarcastic post was the icing on the cake.  Mind blown lol.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 11:29 AM

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I don't think anyone was rooting against Lambo, but of course when you put an opinion out there you don't want to be wrong. Most people were OK with Lambo being with the team when spring training started, some people just weren't for Lambo to be the primary starter when the regular season started. Personally, I wanted to see him as a backup 1B that eventually takes Gaby Sanchez's job. 

I admit during the homestand - back when I was calling for Jordy's head - I took small amounts of pleasure when he struggled, but that pales in comparison to being able to cheer when he drove runs in. I want to see the Pirates win more than I want to be right on a message board. I suppose most people feel this way.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 11:36 AM

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Ike has a history of getting hot in August and September but not hitting for power now. I guess we could send Gregory down and let him work on hitting left handed pitching some more and give Lambo 10 days to hit or not. If he its he stays if not then do we just right him off or wait until next spring. That is alot of pressure to put on him

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