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Mid-season prospect ratings

Posted: 07/07/2014 10:31 AM

Mid-season prospect ratings 


Mid-season ratings are out, and there's some interesting movement since pre-season and last year's post-season:
http://www.piratesprospects.co...son-top-50.html

http://www.piratesprospects.co...spect-list.html

3 thoughts:

1. Josh Bell's stock has never been higher.  I personally don't think this year is THE YEAR for the bucs... and the future still looks brighter to me than the present.  I'm not sure I want to see them play this kind of a card right now, but... it's nice to have a card like this to play.

2. Alan Hanson is MIA.  Hopefully Jordy can continue to trend upwards.

3. My goodness our starting rotation could be ridiculous in 2016.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 11:44 AM

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Glasnow is looked at as a top pitching prospect across baseball, guys like Katoy and cferral have been all over this guy since he was a fringe top 100 guy. He's an excellent prospect. Nice to see Bell's value on the rise as well, both these guys should be at Altoona before too long right?

What's going on with Alen Hanson? He was talked about as being the #1 prospect in all of baseball if he proved he could stay at SS.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 11:45 AM

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Somebody in the comments section mentioned the idea of Pedro and Hanson playing together on the left side of the infield.  The two have combined for 43 errors in 158 games this year.  That's a lot of errors.  Especially troubling if you have pitch-to-contact type pitchers.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 11:56 AM

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Hanson started the season at #78 on BA's top 100.  He hasn't done enough so far to move into the top 50.

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Posted: 07/07/2014 11:57 AM

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fishmong wrote: Glasnow is looked at as a top pitching prospect across baseball, guys like Katoy and cferral have been all over this guy since he was a fringe top 100 guy. He's an excellent prospect. Nice to see Bell's value on the rise as well, both these guys should be at Altoona before too long right?

What's going on with Alen Hanson? He was talked about as being the #1 prospect in all of baseball if he proved he could stay at SS.
2016's starting rotation could be composed of 5 of the following guys:
Cole
Morton
Taillon
Locke
Cumpton
Glassnow
Kingham

Lots of potential there for 2-3 real nice "top of the rotation" guys, and at the very worst one or two good options for solid 4-5 starters... who knows, maybe we'll get wrecked by injuries here.  Maybe these are the first signs of an injury-riddled and short-lived career for Cole.  Maybe Taillon doesn't bounce back from Tommy John.  I know I'm getting waaaay ahead of myself.  But I'm just talking about potential here... and there is a TON of potential, on paper, for 2016.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 12:12 PM

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I'm anxious to see how Glasnow fares as he moves up to face better competition.  He's still in A ball.  Hopefully he'll move to Altoona soon.

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Posted: 07/07/2014 12:48 PM

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Chris Young is pitching well for the Mariners.  Damn the GM that let him get away in 2003/2004.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 12:50 PM

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Bell should move up very soon. They aren't rushing him since this is only his 2nd healthy season. I'm thinking after the Futures Game he heads to Altoona, he doesn't have much else to prove. He has been hammering the ball this season. It is good to see him getting some attention now. I wouldn't be shocked if he performs well in Altoona and is a a consensus top 25 guy headed into next season. He has the potential/talent, and now the elite performance to go with it.

Glasnow is probably still a few starts away from being called up based on the Pirates track record with pitching prospects. They won't rush him. Maybe the end of July is a reasonable expectation for when he'll get called up to Altoona. He has been unhittable once again this year, but still struggles with control from time to time.

Hanson is just your typical extremely talented guy that needs refining. Switch hitting middle infielders with that speed and pop are very rare. His talent is undeniable, he just needs to work on the finer aspects such as adjustment, focus, etc. to obtain consistency. He'll be fine. With Mercer performing as well as he has it really has bought some time to allow the Pirates to slow his development. Only a good thing.

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Posted: 07/07/2014 3:45 PM

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cferrel3 wrote: Bell should move up very soon. They aren't rushing him since this is only his 2nd healthy season. I'm thinking after the Futures Game he heads to Altoona, he doesn't have much else to prove. He has been hammering the ball this season. It is good to see him getting some attention now. I wouldn't be shocked if he performs well in Altoona and is a a consensus top 25 guy headed into next season. He has the potential/talent, and now the elite performance to go with it.

Glasnow is probably still a few starts away from being called up based on the Pirates track record with pitching prospects. They won't rush him. Maybe the end of July is a reasonable expectation for when he'll get called up to Altoona. He has been unhittable once again this year, but still struggles with control from time to time.

Hanson is just your typical extremely talented guy that needs refining. Switch hitting middle infielders with that speed and pop are very rare. His talent is undeniable, he just needs to work on the finer aspects such as adjustment, focus, etc. to obtain consistency. He'll be fine. With Mercer performing as well as he has it really has bought some time to allow the Pirates to slow his development. Only a good thing.
All good things, and part of the reason why I still think the future is brighter than the present, and I'm reluctant / guarded when the topic comes up about what kind of moves/trades the pirates should make this year to "make a run".

I'm hoping that, at some point, Bell's rising stock value can be exchanged for a piece that will eventually yield better production at 1B.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 4:10 PM

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IMO the key to the Pirate's future will be their ability to continue to draft and develop.  There is a good mix here of guys drafted high i.e. Taillon and McGuire and guys drafted in round 2 or lower with Bell and Glasnow and international signings like Palonco and Hanson.  

It is OK to trade guys out of your system if you are confident that you can replace them.  You have to draft well, sign the right guys and have a solid development system.  All things that the Pirates failed miserably in prior to the current BMTIS.  NH and crew had the luxury of high picks for a few years, but they have also done well with creative draft strategies and international success.  

Prospects are organizational assets that can be used to eventually play on your ML team or acquire people that can play your ML team right now.  There is not room on the ML roster for all of your prospects if you are a legit franchise year in and year out.  Logic dictates that you will have to let some of your prized assets go or they will go to waste.  Who and when is where the rubber meets the road.  

John Hart built a great thing in Cleveland during the 90's, but he became far too attached to the players in his minor league system IMO.  He was a stud starter away from winning a WS on a couple of occasions and all he had to do was give up a Brian Giles or Jeremy Burnitz or Sean Casey to get a Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens.  He elected to stand pat or get guys like Mike Jackson instead.  Ironically he eventually had to trade the above 3 for the likes of Ricky Rincon, Kevin Seitzer and a broken down John Smiley because there was no room for them at the Inn at Jacobs Field.   History tells the story on whether he was right or wrong.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 4:34 PM

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cferrel3 wrote: Bell should move up very soon. They aren't rushing him since this is only his 2nd healthy season. I'm thinking after the Futures Game he heads to Altoona, he doesn't have much else to prove. He has been hammering the ball this season. It is good to see him getting some attention now. I wouldn't be shocked if he performs well in Altoona and is a a consensus top 25 guy headed into next season. He has the potential/talent, and now the elite performance to go with it.

Glasnow is probably still a few starts away from being called up based on the Pirates track record with pitching prospects. They won't rush him. Maybe the end of July is a reasonable expectation for when he'll get called up to Altoona. He has been unhittable once again this year, but still struggles with control from time to time.

Hanson is just your typical extremely talented guy that needs refining. Switch hitting middle infielders with that speed and pop are very rare. His talent is undeniable, he just needs to work on the finer aspects such as adjustment, focus, etc. to obtain consistency. He'll be fine. With Mercer performing as well as he has it really has bought some time to allow the Pirates to slow his development. Only a good thing.
All good things, and part of the reason why I still think the future is brighter than the present, and I'm reluctant / guarded when the topic comes up about what kind of moves/trades the pirates should make this year to "make a run".

I'm hoping that, at some point, Bell's rising stock value can be exchanged for a piece that will eventually yield better production at 1B.

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I think Bell himself will be that better production at First Base. If he isn't traded I think he'll continue to play RF, but when arriving in Indy at some point next season will begin to play First Base. I think all indications are that he is the Pirates First Basemen of the future. He has the bat and size to stick there. I really hope he is in a Pirate uniform at First Base at some point in 2015/2016.

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Posted: 07/08/2014 4:58 AM

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cferrel3 wrote:

I think Bell himself will be that better production at First Base. If he isn't traded I think he'll continue to play RF, but when arriving in Indy at some point next season will begin to play First Base. I think all indications are that he is the Pirates First Basemen of the future. He has the bat and size to stick there. I really hope he is in a Pirate uniform at First Base at some point in 2015/2016.
I had not even considered that!  Nor have I seen that anywhere else... but that's fantastic, if true.  You would think a corner outfield with decent grades in the field (speed and glove) would have the athleticism to make this kind of transition, particularly if given some time to work on it in the minors...
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Posted: 07/08/2014 10:26 AM

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I was down at the Mauraders game last Thursday. Concentrated the night on Bells play. He looks the part. Big guy that looks like a older player compared to the players around him. What impressed me was his defense. He got great breaks on balls and tracked down 2 hard hit drives in the gap. The bat IMO is still needing the seasoning. Maybe he makes it to Toona this year, but I do not think it would hurt him to stay and work on his offensive approach yet. 
I have heard talk, but does anyone know if they are planning a move to 1st for him? Got to think he remains blocked. Or, maybe he is the first to be dealt when it comes to a big named prospect.
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Posted: 07/08/2014 10:50 AM

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Blitz36 wrote: I was down at the Mauraders game last Thursday. Concentrated the night on Bells play. He looks the part. Big guy that looks like a older player compared to the players around him. What impressed me was his defense. He got great breaks on balls and tracked down 2 hard hit drives in the gap. The bat IMO is still needing the seasoning. Maybe he makes it to Toona this year, but I do not think it would hurt him to stay and work on his offensive approach yet. 
I have heard talk, but does anyone know if they are planning a move to 1st for him? Got to think he remains blocked. Or, maybe he is the first to be dealt when it comes to a big named prospect.
Gotta be one of those two things, I'd think.

He's either THE prospect NH shops around to fill some other gap (like 1B), either this year, next year, or whenever.... OR he makes a move to 1B as he gets closer and closer to the Bigs.
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