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Samardzija and Hammel traded to the Athletics

  • mbark74
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Posted: 07/04/2014 9:56 PM

Samardzija and Hammel traded to the Athletics 


According to MLB TradeRumors, the Cubs have traded Samardzija and Hammel to the Athletics for 3 top tier prospects. All I can say is WOW! Looks like the Cubs made a very good deal for themselves and the Athletics are really going for it. Looks like two of the Bucs probable targets are gone now. Looks like an AJ reunion more of a possible item now.
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Posted: 07/04/2014 9:58 PM

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Giving up prospects for established major leaguers. How stupid!

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Posted: 07/04/2014 10:14 PM

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The equivalent of price of Russell for the Pirates was Gregory Polanco. The Cubs farm system is the best in baseball. They don't need quantity. It came down to wanting quality.

I don't think anyone would of thought the Pirates made a sound decision trading Polanco for Samardzija and Hamels.

Oakland can afford to do this deal because they have one of the worst farm systems in baseball. Literally all they have is Russell. So for them they realize it's best to move all in now and try and win for 2014 and 2015. After that they will be a bad team because the majority of the team leaves in free agency and they don't have the prospects to replenish the system. Even of they don't make the trade the end result is after 2015 then they have Addison Russell and nobody to play around him after that because everyone has left in free agency.

Also the A's are limited in trade targets because they can't take on salary.  Samardzija and Hamels have relatively low salaries.  Something that other options wouldn't have.

What you get in a trade is tied in with how much a guy makes.  The more a player makes the less surplus value he has.  Unless the Cardinals are willing to move Oscar Taveras or the Mariners willing to move Taijuan Walker then it's impossible for the Rays to get a player better than Addison Russell back in a trade for David Price.  If St. Louis and Seattle are unwilling to move Taveras or Walker respectively then the best prospect in play for Price is probably Aaron Sanchez.

The Dodgers probably have a lot more leverage to get Price now because while they lacked an elite prospect in the top 25, Pederson and Seager are suddenly much more attractive if guys like Russell, Taveras, Walker and Polanco are off the board.  With the exception of Oscar Tavares, Taijuan Walker and Gregory Polanco then every top 15 prospect in baseball are part of a team that are already out of contention for the playoffs and those teams would have no use to trade for David Price.

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Posted: 07/04/2014 11:52 PM

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The A's were willing to make a bold move to go for it. I like that.

The window is also open for the Pirates right now. Let's see if we also make a bold move. You never know how long the window will be open.

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Posted: 07/05/2014 7:17 AM

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Great trade for the A's and a good trade, but head scratcher for the Cubs. It does give the Cubs 4 of the 20 prospects, but they all ready had a top SS.

This just shows the A's are willing to do what it takes to win a Championship. I think for so many years they stayed away from these deals to maintain a level of competitiveness, but have never reached the ultimate goal. Now seeing that they needed to do something different, they made a "all in" gamble. It will be interesting to see how this ends up, but I like it. There are no losers in this deal, but the A's IMO come out on top in a major way.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 7:28 AM

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The key word there is "established" - not guys who have failed miserably elsewhere, but somehow they will figure it all out in Pittsburgh.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 7:28 AM

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Starlin Castro would bring a nice haul of prospects himself. Perhaps he is next.


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Great trade for the A's and a good trade, but head scratcher for the Cubs. It does give the Cubs 4 of the 20 prospects, but they all ready had a top SS.

This just shows the A's are willing to do what it takes to win a Championship. I think for so many years they stayed away from these deals to maintain a level of competitiveness, but have never reached the ultimate goal. Now seeing that they needed to do something different, they made a "all in" gamble. It will be interesting to see how this ends up, but I like it. There are no losers in this deal, but the A's IMO come out on top in a major way.

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Posted: 07/05/2014 7:31 AM

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The Cubs are going to be really bad the rest of this year, without those two top starters. But, they have the makings of having a very talented starting lineup in a year or two. They are just loaded - Castro and Rizzo now, plus add in Soler, Baez, Russell, Bryant, Schwarber.

As for the A's - they better win this year - because Hammel is a rental and they have sold off a lot of the farm to win this year. Its World Champs or bust for them.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 10:34 AM

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Look a little deeper, I really really like the deal for the A's. Oakland only had 1 top 100 prospect and that was Russell. They are in a win now mode as there minor league system is not going to produce any real help for a few years. Russell would be a nice call up, but is not really needed right now if your the A's. With this trade the A's are not the front runner to win the WS this season and should be a top 3 team for the next 3 seasons as well.

The A's may not win a world series, but they have not even made it to the WS or even won much in the post season playing "Moneyball". It has made them a consistent winning team, but would you take 10 years of winning or 9 years or so-so ball and 1 WS chance?

I do like what the Cubs have done, but until I see results at the ML level, they simply have some nice kids down in the minors. You dont win anything by have a great minor league system.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 10:45 AM

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I wouldn't touch Castro with a 10 foot pole personally.  He isn't a shortstop and will eventually be moved to second base.  Probably by next season when Alcantara takes his spot.

I wonder if this trade for the Cubs would open the door for Russell to be moved to the Pirates as he would be a perfect fit for them.  There were rumors when this trade was being rumored of a three team trade.

The Cubs need pitching desperately.  Alcantara is already in AAA and can play short.  Baez moves to third, Castro to second and Bryant is in the outfield.  If they hang onto Russell then he simply replaces Alcantara but everyone else pretty much moves to new positions either way.  All those guys will play next year.  It has the potential to be a scary offense very soon.  The problem is they have no pitching.

Not many teams have a deep stable of pitching prospects.  The Pirates are one of those teams however.  Going into this season there were 8 pitching prospects ranked ahead of Jameson Taillon.  One of them is now in the majors in Tajuan Walker so he's off limits.  Archie Bradley plays on Arizona a team desperate for pitching and loaded for shortstops so he isn't a great fit.  Noah Syndergaard of the Mets is a possible fit that would work.  As is Robert Stephenson of the Reds but both guys have had pretty down seasons which has killed some of their momentum.  Mark Appel and Jon Gray are both on Colorado and they need pitching and have Troy Tulowitzki as well.  That leaves Dylan Bundy another Tommy John pitcher as the guys who were rated ahead of Taillon.

Because of the fact that all three of Taillon, Glasnow and Josh Bell could be on the major league team in 2015 and all have extremely high ceilings I would consider them almost untouchable.  The only way I would move on of those guys is if you got back Addison Russell since he could play next season as well.

A package centered around Taillon and a couple of solid prospects would be fair value for Russell.  If of course the Cubs were willing to move him.  The A's had no high profile pitching to acquire so perhaps this was just take the best player available and sort things out later.  We were in heavy talks with the Cubs for Samardzija and were scouting him heavily in the event the price dropped.  They wanted two of Aaron Sanchez, Drew Hutchinson and Marcus Stroman which we weren't willing to do.  Taillon and Sanchez are ranked pretty evenly.  Factoring in that they also added Hammel to the deal to get Russell.  They weren't going to get Sanchez and another guy who can put up strong numbers right away in the majors.  A slight compromise would be a Taillon and Cumpton, deal with a lottery ticket guy like Willy Garcia.  Both teams probably are happy with that.  Of course perhaps a Glasnow for Russell swap makes sense as well straight up.  Glasnow is considered the pitching prospect in baseball right now.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 3:57 PM

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I'd love to have Castro as our SS.

But I wouldn't give up pitching to get him. We need pitching more, as Mercer is capable enough at that spot.

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Posted: 07/06/2014 7:03 AM

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If I am going to give up Taillion I am going for Tulo and not a prospect at this point.

I would sell the farm for Tulo and Cargo and then move Marte. The line up would be:

RF Polanco
2B Walker
CF Cutch
LF Cargo
SS Tulo
3B Pedro
1B Davis/Sanchez
C Martin

Hey, I can dream even if there is less than 1% chance that would ever happen.
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Posted: 07/06/2014 7:07 AM

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vinnybravo wrote: If I am going to give up Taillion I am going for Tulo and not a prospect at this point.

I would sell the farm for Tulo and Cargo and then move Marte. The line up would be:

RF Polanco
2B Walker
CF Cutch
LF Cargo
SS Tulo
3B Pedro
1B Davis/Sanchez
C Martin

Hey, I can dream even if there is less than 1% chance that would ever happen.
1b is still a disaster in your scenario... I would prefer Hague/Lambo to status quo
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