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Well, that was a 180 degree turnaround....

Posted: 07/01/2014 7:07 PM

Well, that was a 180 degree turnaround.... 


I was just getting ready to post saying how disappointed I was in the Pirates listless performance tonight against a fairly weak team and a pitcher who came into the game with nearly a 5.00 ERA. The Pirates made Miley look like Kershaw tonight - that is hard to do.

I was going to lament how it seems we take two steps forward, followed by one step backwards.

Then, Gibson made the same mistake that Hurdle and other managers often do - he pulled a pitcher who was throwing lights out and had the Pirates completely handcuffed, just because it was the 9th inning. So, Gibson pulls him - inserts his struggling closer (sound familiar) and Reed promptly blows the game. Great comeback - we'll take it, with an assist from the Arizona manager!
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Posted: 07/01/2014 7:25 PM

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he was 16-11 2 years ago and 10-10 last year on a bad team,this snakes team suck real bad,he's a really good pitcher on a bad team
WWJDLion wrote: I was just getting ready to post saying how disappointed I was in the Pirates listless performance tonight against a fairly weak team and a pitcher who came into the game with nearly a 5.00 ERA. The Pirates made Miley look like Kershaw tonight - that is hard to do.

I was going to lament how it seems we take two steps forward, followed by one step backwards.

Then, Gibson made the same mistake that Hurdle and other managers often do - he pulled a pitcher who was throwing lights out and had the Pirates completely handcuffed, just because it was the 9th inning. So, Gibson pulls him - inserts his struggling closer (sound familiar) and Reed promptly blows the game. Great comeback - we'll take it, with an assist from the Arizona manager!
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Posted: 07/01/2014 8:23 PM

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We're you watching the game?

Gibson pulled Miley because he gave up hits to the first two batters in the bottom of the 9th and had thrown a season-high 111 pitches already.

It was the right move, but just didn't work. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 when criticizing a manager.

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Posted: 07/01/2014 9:53 PM

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gr1111 wrote: We're you watching the game?

Gibson pulled Miley because he gave up hits to the first two batters in the bottom of the 9th and had thrown a season-high 111 pitches already.

It was the right move, but just didn't work. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 when criticizing a manager.
The wrong move was letting Miley hit with 2 on in the top of the 9th having already thrown 106 pitches. If you want to win, you hit for him there (which gives you a much better chance of scoring) and let your best reliever pitch the 9th.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 12:02 AM

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dirtyfrankwvu wrote:
gr1111 wrote: We're you watching the game?

Gibson pulled Miley because he gave up hits to the first two batters in the bottom of the 9th and had thrown a season-high 111 pitches already.

It was the right move, but just didn't work. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 when criticizing a manager.
The wrong move was letting Miley hit with 2 on in the top of the 9th having already thrown 106 pitches. If you want to win, you hit for him there (which gives you a much better chance of scoring) and let your best reliever pitch the 9th.
I agree with the idea of pinch hitting for Wade Miley, but I think we all can understand why the Manager left Miley in, he was cruising. I looked down at my girlfriends scorecard and saw he had 10 K's through 8 IP. The problem wasn't letting Miley stay in the game, the problem was not bunting with him. Sure there's the chance that he doesn't succeed, but if we assume he did move the runners up the Parra scores from third on the play that Harrison threw him out. That third run would have been crushing.

Pinch-hitting and going with Reed to start the 9th is a strong alternative and I'm glad I don't have to make those kinds of decisions on a nightly basis. It was a tough choice and both decisions had merit. Miley hasn't had a great year Gibson was clearly wanted to give Miley something to build off of. In hindsight(maybe foresight if you thought it at the time) it's clear that Pinch-hitting was the better option. 

I don't like seeing the pitcher hit, but even I have to admit that it adds a nuance to the National League game that is missing in the American League. In the AL there is no decision on letting the starter hit there, and being in the stadium it did make discussing the game with the people around me way more interesting. I'd miss that if the NL had a DH, so I'm now having second thoughts on my utter disdain for the idea of the pitcher hitting instead of an actual hitter.... but that's a whole different thread.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 4:35 AM

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No offense but your hanging on every pitch and every game and acting like it is the end of the world are gross overreactions.

Relax and realize the 162 game schedule is an eternity.
WWJDLion wrote: I was just getting ready to post saying how disappointed I was in the Pirates listless performance tonight against a fairly weak team and a pitcher who came into the game with nearly a 5.00 ERA. The Pirates made Miley look like Kershaw tonight - that is hard to do.

I was going to lament how it seems we take two steps forward, followed by one step backwards.

Then, Gibson made the same mistake that Hurdle and other managers often do - he pulled a pitcher who was throwing lights out and had the Pirates completely handcuffed, just because it was the 9th inning. So, Gibson pulls him - inserts his struggling closer (sound familiar) and Reed promptly blows the game. Great comeback - we'll take it, with an assist from the Arizona manager!
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Posted: 07/02/2014 5:35 AM

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The over reaction is the one you just posted in reaction to my original message. It was just an observation about the game, nothing more. You can relax now.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 6:26 AM

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dirtyfrankwvu wrote:
gr1111 wrote: We're you watching the game?

Gibson pulled Miley because he gave up hits to the first two batters in the bottom of the 9th and had thrown a season-high 111 pitches already.

It was the right move, but just didn't work. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 when criticizing a manager.
The wrong move was letting Miley hit with 2 on in the top of the 9th having already thrown 106 pitches. If you want to win, you hit for him there (which gives you a much better chance of scoring) and let your best reliever pitch the 9th.
I understand the decision not to pinch-hit.

But once the decision was made not to pinch-hit, I was mystified by the decision not to bunt.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 6:58 AM

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psuKinger wrote:
dirtyfrankwvu wrote:
gr1111 wrote: We're you watching the game?

Gibson pulled Miley because he gave up hits to the first two batters in the bottom of the 9th and had thrown a season-high 111 pitches already.

It was the right move, but just didn't work. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 when criticizing a manager.
The wrong move was letting Miley hit with 2 on in the top of the 9th having already thrown 106 pitches. If you want to win, you hit for him there (which gives you a much better chance of scoring) and let your best reliever pitch the 9th.
I understand the decision not to pinch-hit.

But once the decision was made not to pinch-hit, I was mystified by the decision not to bunt.
Exactly.  Had Miley got that bunt down, they'd have had 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.  It's possible that the single by Inciarte would have easily brought in Parra and even Ahmed.  Even still, it's 1st and 3rd with 1 out and 3-0.  Getting that bunt down could have blown the game wide open.

Why he pulled back on that first pitch is beyond me.  Drop the bunt and move on.   I think that bunt/at-bat was in Miley's head when he went back to the mound.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 7:14 AM

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panthers2533 wrote: No offense but your hanging on every pitch and every game and acting like it is the end of the world are gross overreactions.

Relax and realize the 162 game schedule is an eternity.
WWJDLion wrote: I was just getting ready to post saying how disappointed I was in the Pirates listless performance tonight against a fairly weak team and a pitcher who came into the game with nearly a 5.00 ERA. The Pirates made Miley look like Kershaw tonight - that is hard to do.

I was going to lament how it seems we take two steps forward, followed by one step backwards.

Then, Gibson made the same mistake that Hurdle and other managers often do - he pulled a pitcher who was throwing lights out and had the Pirates completely handcuffed, just because it was the 9th inning. So, Gibson pulls him - inserts his struggling closer (sound familiar) and Reed promptly blows the game. Great comeback - we'll take it, with an assist from the Arizona manager!



Exactly.

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Posted: 07/02/2014 7:25 AM

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Umm... ok...

I am not the one posting these types of threads after each game, each at bat and so on.

I was not trying to offend you either. Just saying, it is a long season. Bad games, bad At Bats, and so on are part of the season.
WWJDLion wrote: The over reaction is the one you just posted in reaction to my original message. It was just an observation about the game, nothing more. You can relax now.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 10:01 AM

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panthers2533 wrote: Umm... ok...

I am not the one posting these types of threads after each game, each at bat and so on.

I was not trying to offend you either. Just saying, it is a long season. Bad games, bad At Bats, and so on are part of the season.
WWJDLion wrote: The over reaction is the one you just posted in reaction to my original message. It was just an observation about the game, nothing more. You can relax now.
Seems pretty harmless to me... Sure you have to keep some big-picture perspective, especially with MLB, but what's the point to a message board if you can't talk about the team, game-by-game and even pitch-by-pitch, if you want to?
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