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Pirates' trade for AJ Burnett is "likely"

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Posted: 07/01/2014 3:02 PM

Pirates' trade for AJ Burnett is "likely" 


According to mlbdailydish.com,

UPDATE (7/1): A source with knowledge of the situation believes that the Pirates would be the "single best fit" for Burnett, and that a trade involving the right-hander is likely before July 31.

ORIGINAL: Though they currently sit eight games behind the division-leading Brewers in the NL Central, the fourth-place Pirates are still looking to be buyers at the trade deadline. Acording to John Perrotto of USA Today, the Pirates are looking to make rotation upgrades at the trade deadline, with Brandon McCarthy and A.J. Burnett (yes, that A.J. Burnett) among the rotation upgrades they are considering.

 

Burnett, who left Pittsburgh for the Phillies last winter in a bit of an awkward split, would make perfect sense for a Pirates' team that could use a veteran starter in the absence of injured ace Francisco Liriano. Though Burnett can block trades to 21 major league teams, major league sources indicate that the Pirates are one of the nine teams on his "acceptable assignment" list, meaning that he would embrace a return to Pittsburgh if the two teams were to agree on a deal.

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/20...-among-possible


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Posted: 07/01/2014 5:15 PM

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Why would we trade for him. If he reached 32 starts he gets 17 million next year no thanks. Even if it was a straight salary dump he would be a real expensive number 4.



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Posted: 07/01/2014 6:03 PM

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Yeah, pass on this.  He had a chance to resign and win, instead he went for the money.  That's ok, but if he really wanted to be in Pittsburgh, he would have resigned with the Pirates.

Also, the Phillies are said to be willing to eat a lot of salary to acquire prospects, since they have nothing in terms of talent in the minors.  Lets say the eat most of his salary, like the Yankees did when he was traded to us, is he worth giving up a nice prospect for?  I say no.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 7:26 PM

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kdog341 wrote: Why would we trade for him. If he reached 32 starts he gets 17 million next year no thanks. Even if it was a straight salary dump he would be a real expensive number 4.
This is not correct. He has a player option for next season that escalates to $12.5 million (not $17 million) if he reaches 32 starts. However, any trade for Burnett would likely include the Phillies covering some portion of that.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 4:34 AM

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I would take him back for sure but not if it involves any kind of meaningful prospect going the other way. Absolutey no way I give up a legit prospect for him.

But if the Phillies were willing to eat some of his salary and take back a C type prospect, sure go for it.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 6:10 AM

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I think it would be great, but wont happen. I also think its funny that the 2 pitchers that I have talked about the Pirates getting are both mentioned in that discussion. I think McCarthy would be a great get, and I said that a month ago.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 7:08 AM

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vinnybravo wrote: I think it would be great, but wont happen. I also think its funny that the 2 pitchers that I have talked about the Pirates getting are both mentioned in that discussion. I think McCarthy would be a great get, and I said that a month ago.
I have no interest in either McCarthy or Burnett.  If they're going to give up a decent prospect, I'd rather the pitcher they get in turn would be good.  Someone like Samardzija, Sale, Kennedy, or worst cast Colon.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 7:27 AM

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I have no interest in McCarthy at all. He sucks and would not be an upgrade.

Burnett I would take if the Phils were giving away and paying some of his contract. Don't want any parts of him at that full salary or if it involves a legit prospect going back in return.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 7:33 AM

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panthers2533 wrote: I have no interest in McCarthy at all. He sucks and would not be an upgrade.

Burnett I would take if the Phils were giving away and paying some of his contract. Don't want any parts of him at that full salary or if it involves a legit prospect going back in return.
Ruben Amaro wouldn't budge off Marte for Pence, there's no way he won't ask for and stand firm on Taillon, Glasnow, Kingham, or Hanson.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 7:43 AM

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Ruben Amaro is the worst GM in baseball.  He made the Phillies terrible and put them in a position to be terrible for a long time.  That team is willing to spend money though to win (or try to), he just spends it in the most stupid ways possible.  He makes some terrible trades too.  As a non-Phillies fan, I love it, he's funny.


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panthers2533 wrote: I have no interest in McCarthy at all. He sucks and would not be an upgrade.

Burnett I would take if the Phils were giving away and paying some of his contract. Don't want any parts of him at that full salary or if it involves a legit prospect going back in return.
Ruben Amaro wouldn't budge off Marte for Pence, there's no way he won't ask for and stand firm on Taillon, Glasnow, Kingham, or Hanson.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 7:54 AM

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TBayXXXVII wrote:
panthers2533 wrote: I have no interest in McCarthy at all. He sucks and would not be an upgrade.

Burnett I would take if the Phils were giving away and paying some of his contract. Don't want any parts of him at that full salary or if it involves a legit prospect going back in return.
Ruben Amaro wouldn't budge off Marte for Pence, there's no way he won't ask for and stand firm on Taillon, Glasnow, Kingham, or Hanson.
Yeah no way on earth I would give up any of those guys for Burnett. In fact I wouldn't give up any prospect in the their top 10. Maybe not even in the top 20.

And for the life of me I can't figure out how Ruben Amaro still has a job as the Phillies GM. Is there a worse run baseball franchise than them? They basically have unlimited resources and still blow.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 8:19 AM

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TBayXXXVII wrote:
panthers2533 wrote: I have no interest in McCarthy at all. He sucks and would not be an upgrade.

Burnett I would take if the Phils were giving away and paying some of his contract. Don't want any parts of him at that full salary or if it involves a legit prospect going back in return.
Ruben Amaro wouldn't budge off Marte for Pence, there's no way he won't ask for and stand firm on Taillon, Glasnow, Kingham, or Hanson.
He has very few places he could actually send Burnett. He'll ask for a top tier prospect. No way he gets it. I'd take Burnett back if they eat enough salary and the prospect given up is not top 10.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 8:28 AM

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Burnett is also not pitching like he did in a Pirates uniform. 

I thought he would struggle with the Phillies defense or with home runs at the home park.  Instead, his control has been so-so, and it comes and goes during games.  He'll lose control just long enough to have to throw several cripple pitches in an inning and give up several runs. 

Worth having as another starter, but not a top of the rotation guy, imo.

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Posted: 07/02/2014 9:06 AM

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gr1111 wrote: Burnett is also not pitching like he did in a Pirates uniform. 

I thought he would struggle with the Phillies defense or with home runs at the home park.  Instead, his control has been so-so, and it comes and goes during games.  He'll lose control just long enough to have to throw several cripple pitches in an inning and give up several runs. 

Worth having as another starter, but not a top of the rotation guy, imo.
Agreed, and that's why I wouldn't bother with him.  He'd be a #4/5 here.  I wouldn't trade for that.  At worst, I'd go with a #3.  That's why I actually like Colon.  I think that he'd fit in perfectly here and at a cheap price.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 9:36 AM

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TBayXXXVII wrote:
gr1111 wrote: Burnett is also not pitching like he did in a Pirates uniform. 

I thought he would struggle with the Phillies defense or with home runs at the home park.  Instead, his control has been so-so, and it comes and goes during games.  He'll lose control just long enough to have to throw several cripple pitches in an inning and give up several runs. 

Worth having as another starter, but not a top of the rotation guy, imo.
Agreed, and that's why I wouldn't bother with him.  He'd be a #4/5 here.  I wouldn't trade for that.  At worst, I'd go with a #3.  That's why I actually like Colon.  I think that he'd fit in perfectly here and at a cheap price.
I know that there is no love for AJ, but he has a lower ERA than any Pirates starter other than Morton and has more quality starts than any Pirates pitcher, and that is playing with the Phils. His only knock is this walks, but other than that, he has arguably had a better season than any Pirates starter this season while playing for the Phils. Plus you would have his leadership.

I am not saying they should break the bank or even trade for AJ, but if he came to the Pirates today he would be our #2 starter behind Cole, but would have had a better season than Cole and just as good if not better than Morton based on stats.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 11:51 AM

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If the Pirates were to go into the playoffs with what they have in the rotation right now, I just wouldn't feel comfortable with the performances they'd get after Cole pitched. Last season a huge reason the Pirates were able to be one game  away from the NLCS was that Liriano pitched like a No. 1 starter in his two starts. Maybe Burnett isn't the answer, but right now the Pirates are a pitcher short for a playoff run. It's great what Jeff Locke, Edinson Volquez, and Vance Worley have been doing lately, but if the Pirates had to win a playoff series against the other teams in the NL Race do you really want to have 2 out of that 3 pitching against rotations like

Gallardo
Lohse
Garza
Peralta
Estrada/Nelson

Latos
Cueto
Bailey
Leake
Simon

Wainwright
Lynn
Wacha
Miller
Martinez?

Cain 
Bumgarner
Lincecum
Hudson
Vogelsong

Kershaw
Grienke
Ryu
Beckett
Haren

Strasburg
Zimmerman
Gonzalez
Fister
Roark?

Teheran
Harang
Santana
Minor
Wood

These are the teams that will also be in on guys like Burnett, Price, Samardzija etc. So those rotations could improve. Say Atlanta adds Ian Kennedy, St. Louis or LA add Price etc. The Pirates are in the mix with these guys. This isn't just a hot streak that will fade the Pirates are 13-7 in the last 20, 25-15 in the last 40. The Pirates have had sustained success over the last 25% of this season. I don't see any reason they won't keep winning games through the rest of the year. It'll be hard to go 47-32 the rest of the way to get to 90 wins, but with the right additions and continued success from a really good lineup it's not hard to imagine. 

This is why the Pirates have to improve the team. It doesn't have to be a big name like David Price, he'd be great but I understand how high the cost would be and Glasnow/Bell look like VERY GOOD prospects that'll be in AA very soon. Maybe the improvement comes from a guy like Nick Kingham who's been good in the AA and AAA this year. Maybe the improvement comes from a Liriano return. It's hard for me to expect Locke, Volquez, AND Worley to keep pitching they way they have, AND for them to do it in the playoffs if the Pirates get there. The Pirates are a contender as they are right now, they could be a strong contender RIGHT NOW with a couple improvements. Making the playoffs is quite an accomplishment, making noise in the playoffs is so much better.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 1:53 PM

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vinnybravo wrote:
TBayXXXVII wrote:
gr1111 wrote: Burnett is also not pitching like he did in a Pirates uniform. 

I thought he would struggle with the Phillies defense or with home runs at the home park.  Instead, his control has been so-so, and it comes and goes during games.  He'll lose control just long enough to have to throw several cripple pitches in an inning and give up several runs. 

Worth having as another starter, but not a top of the rotation guy, imo.
Agreed, and that's why I wouldn't bother with him.  He'd be a #4/5 here.  I wouldn't trade for that.  At worst, I'd go with a #3.  That's why I actually like Colon.  I think that he'd fit in perfectly here and at a cheap price.
I know that there is no love for AJ, but he has a lower ERA than any Pirates starter other than Morton and has more quality starts than any Pirates pitcher, and that is playing with the Phils. His only knock is this walks, but other than that, he has arguably had a better season than any Pirates starter this season while playing for the Phils. Plus you would have his leadership.

I am not saying they should break the bank or even trade for AJ, but if he came to the Pirates today he would be our #2 starter behind Cole, but would have had a better season than Cole and just as good if not better than Morton based on stats.
That's a very scary picture.

I personally like Ian Kennedy and Jeff Samardzja.  I'd give up Bell in a package for either one of them.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 2:46 PM

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TBayXXXVII wrote:
 
That's a very scary picture.

I personally like Ian Kennedy and Jeff Samardzja.  I'd give up Bell in a package for either one of them.

With McCutchen, Marte, Polanco, and Harris under club control until at least 2018, Josh Bell is the most obvious "top prospect" we have available that we could readily part with, relatively pain-free.

Hopefully he is considered to be a "desirable piece" by other organizations.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 3:26 PM

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vinnybravo wrote:
TBayXXXVII wrote:
gr1111 wrote: Burnett is also not pitching like he did in a Pirates uniform. 

I thought he would struggle with the Phillies defense or with home runs at the home park.  Instead, his control has been so-so, and it comes and goes during games.  He'll lose control just long enough to have to throw several cripple pitches in an inning and give up several runs. 

Worth having as another starter, but not a top of the rotation guy, imo.
Agreed, and that's why I wouldn't bother with him.  He'd be a #4/5 here.  I wouldn't trade for that.  At worst, I'd go with a #3.  That's why I actually like Colon.  I think that he'd fit in perfectly here and at a cheap price.
I know that there is no love for AJ, but he has a lower ERA than any Pirates starter other than Morton and has more quality starts than any Pirates pitcher, and that is playing with the Phils. His only knock is this walks, but other than that, he has arguably had a better season than any Pirates starter this season while playing for the Phils. Plus you would have his leadership.

I am not saying they should break the bank or even trade for AJ, but if he came to the Pirates today he would be our #2 starter behind Cole, but would have had a better season than Cole and just as good if not better than Morton based on stats.

That isn't true at all...Morton, Locke, and Worley all have a better ERA and Cole and Volquez basically the same.  Also, Morton, Locke, Cumpton, Worley, Cole, and Liriano all have better FIP's and xFIP's than Burnett as well. 

So what little success Burnett has had (huge control problems) has even been slightly smoke and mirrors.  He is due for a slight regression even at his mediocre numbers.  Factoring everything in he would be the Pirates 5/6th starter right now in a toss up with Volquez and the 6th/7th starter when Liriano comes back.  If you count Cumpton you could make an argument that RIGHT NOW Burnett is the Pirates 8th best starter.  Not saying he is, but someone could make a legitimate argument that he is.  No thanks.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 4:02 PM

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panthers2533 wrote: I have no interest in McCarthy at all. He sucks and would not be an upgrade.

Burnett I would take if the Phils were giving away and paying some of his contract. Don't want any parts of him at that full salary or if it involves a legit prospect going back in return.
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