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32-24 since April 30th

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Posted: 06/30/2014 5:51 PM

32-24 since April 30th 


After a rough 10-16 April the Bucs are 32-24 through May and June. The Brewers are 31-25 during that span, but their 20-8 start still has them in front. 

The Reds are 31-23 during May/June and the Cardinals are 29-25. Once again, the Central looks likely to produce both wild cards in 2014.
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Posted: 06/30/2014 5:58 PM

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Imagine our record if; (1) Wandy wasn't brought North (had to have cost us 3-4 games) and (2) Polanco was with the team starting Day 1....
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Posted: 07/01/2014 4:24 AM

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I honestly don't think Polanco not being on the team opening day would have made much of a difference win/loss wise. I don't say that because Polanco isn't an upgrade. He clearly is without question.

But the pitching was so bad early in the year that Babe Ruth could have been inserted in the 4 hole along with Mickey Mantle in the 5 hole and they would not have won many more games.

The pitching especially the starters were pathetic early on.

The hole the Pirates dug themselves will be hard to overcome. They actually lost a half game in June to Milwaukee despite the good month from the team. At least that is what the FAN was saying yesterday.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 10:50 AM

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WWJDLion wrote: Imagine our record if; (1) Wandy wasn't brought North (had to have cost us 3-4 games) and (2) Polanco was with the team starting Day 1....
I dont mind the Polanco decision at all to start the season. I think he needed to start in AAA. I dont like that they waited for the Super 2 to bring him up, but that is the game they play and it is what it is.

Wandy was just a poor decision. I think 97% of the MLB world knew he was done. The Pirates had to pay him so they rolled the dice and it cost them.

I think the 1B decision out of ST hurt them as well. As good as Pedro can be at times, he is not a guy who should be hitting 4th and maybe not even 6th most of the time, but the Pirates went cheap and internal.

You cant do anything about the past, just move forward and hope a few of the teams in front of you struggle the rest of the way out.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 11:01 AM

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panthers2533 wrote: I honestly don't think Polanco not being on the team opening day would have made much of a difference win/loss wise. I don't say that because Polanco isn't an upgrade. He clearly is without question.

But the pitching was so bad early in the year that Babe Ruth could have been inserted in the 4 hole along with Mickey Mantle in the 5 hole and they would not have won many more games.

The pitching especially the starters were pathetic early on.

The hole the Pirates dug themselves will be hard to overcome. They actually lost a half game in June to Milwaukee despite the good month from the team. At least that is what the FAN was saying yesterday.
I was willing to agree with you on this until I saw that they have 15 loses in 1-run games.  I think it's absolutely possible that Polanco would have made a difference in a few of those games... 2, maybe 3.  Call it just 2 and that's a pretty big deal... even more so if 1 were against the Brewers and the other against the Cards.

That would put them at 44-38 and tied with Washington for the 2nd wild card spot.  It would also put them a half game ahead of the Cards in the division.

If you want to get really rose colored glasses... what if his production in June happened in April?  The Pirates lost a 1-run, a 2-run, and a 3-run game at Milwaukee in the 2nd week of the season.  Winning 2 of those games could have had a paramount impact on the whole month.  Heck, just at that point in time they'd have been tied for 1st with Milwaukee at 8-4.

Now, would any of that have happened?  I don't know.  But I will say that with the way the kid has started off, I think it's quite possible.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 3:00 PM

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The big "what if"......What if the combined closers, Melancon/Grilli had pitched like they did last year? We'd be at or near the top of the division.

More than anything, the back end of the bullpen is the Achilles Heel of this team. How many saves were blown between them so far, 5 or 6 maybe?
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Posted: 07/01/2014 6:42 PM

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Good win!

Three in the 9th.

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Posted: 07/02/2014 9:29 AM

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"Pittsburgh (43-40) is 22-31 against teams .500 or better, but it's gotten the best of some of the league's lesser clubs over the past month. The Pirates came into this set against last-place Arizona (35-50) having won six consecutive series against teams with losing records."


Its very good that the Pirates are beating the teams they should, but they need to get better about beating the good teams.Even if you take away the Brewers, they are still a below .500 team vs good teams. I know they have been better since April, but if they expect to win a playoff series, and not just a play in game they need to upgrade the Starting Staff and address the 1B or SS position. All in all, they are on a good path and just need a few more tweaks to make them a team that can win a playoff series or two.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 11:47 AM

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vinnybravo wrote:
"Pittsburgh (43-40) is 22-31 against teams .500 or better, but it's gotten the best of some of the league's lesser clubs over the past month. The Pirates came into this set against last-place Arizona (35-50) having won six consecutive series against teams with losing records."


Its very good that the Pirates are beating the teams they should, but they need to get better about beating the good teams.Even if you take away the Brewers, they are still a below .500 team vs good teams. I know they have been better since April, but if they expect to win a playoff series, and not just a play in game they need to upgrade the Starting Staff and address the 1B or SS position. All in all, they are on a good path and just need a few more tweaks to make them a team that can win a playoff series or two.
This stat is of very  little concern for me.  The Pirates have a .500 record or better against 11 of the 15 opponents that they've faced.  Of the 4 teams they have a losing record, 2 are AL teams where they were the road team... at Baltimore (1-3), and at New York (1-2).  The other 2 teams are Cincy and Milwaukee.  If they keep on doing what they've been and simply improve against the Reds and Brewers, they'll make the playoffs.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 12:06 PM

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The more telling stat is that Pirates played 53 out of the first 83 games against teams with winning records. I know the Pirates have struggled against the Brewers and Reds, but they've won series against the Giants, Dodgers, Nationals, Cardinals, and Blue Jays. 

The pitching seems to be a lot better with Russel Martin behind the plate. I'd like to know what the record would be if he didn't have to go on the DL.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 12:37 PM

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fishmong wrote: The more telling stat is that Pirates played 53 out of the first 83 games against teams with winning records. I know the Pirates have struggled against the Brewers and Reds, but they've won series against the Giants, Dodgers, Nationals, Cardinals, and Blue Jays. 

The pitching seems to be a lot better with Russel Martin behind the plate. I'd like to know what the record would be if he didn't have to go on the DL.

Man they better find a way to resign Martin or another capable starter. Sanchez is hitting a whopping .189 last I read in AAA.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 1:35 PM

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fishmong wrote: The more telling stat is that Pirates played 53 out of the first 83 games against teams with winning records. I know the Pirates have struggled against the Brewers and Reds, but they've won series against the Giants, Dodgers, Nationals, Cardinals, and Blue Jays. 

The pitching seems to be a lot better with Russel Martin behind the plate. I'd like to know what the record would be if he didn't have to go on the DL.
Breakdown of remaining schedule... as of this morning.
Home games vs winning teams: 17 (49 on the season)
Home games vs losing teams: 20 (32)
Road games vs winning teams: 28 (49)
Road games vs losing teams: 14 (32)

So basically, they'll play 98 games this year against teams with a winning record.  I'm sure that'll be similar to Cincinnati, Milwaukee, and St. Louis, since the NL Central is the only division with 4 teams to have a winning record.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 1:52 PM

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panthers2533 wrote:
fishmong wrote: The more telling stat is that Pirates played 53 out of the first 83 games against teams with winning records. I know the Pirates have struggled against the Brewers and Reds, but they've won series against the Giants, Dodgers, Nationals, Cardinals, and Blue Jays. 

The pitching seems to be a lot better with Russel Martin behind the plate. I'd like to know what the record would be if he didn't have to go on the DL.

Man they better find a way to resign Martin or another capable starter. Sanchez is hitting a whopping .189 last I read in AAA.


And 6 errors in 32 games.  He's still a work in progress.

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Posted: 07/02/2014 1:55 PM

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gr1111 wrote:
panthers2533 wrote:
fishmong wrote: The more telling stat is that Pirates played 53 out of the first 83 games against teams with winning records. I know the Pirates have struggled against the Brewers and Reds, but they've won series against the Giants, Dodgers, Nationals, Cardinals, and Blue Jays. 

The pitching seems to be a lot better with Russel Martin behind the plate. I'd like to know what the record would be if he didn't have to go on the DL.

Man they better find a way to resign Martin or another capable starter. Sanchez is hitting a whopping .189 last I read in AAA.


And 6 errors in 32 games.  He's still a work in progress.
If defense is getting in the way... just shift him over to 1B and let him just hit.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 4:00 PM

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People are talking about "what ifs" as though the Pirates are the only team that has them. Fans of most every other team are doing the same thing, for similar reasons. 

That's one reason they play so many games - the cream rises to the top. That, and it makes the league a lot of money.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 8:51 PM

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I'm not worried about Sanchez's hitting, he has already proved he can hit MLB pitching at least decently.  Plus the walks and power is still good (5hr's in 106 at-bats), although the strikeouts are a little high.  I can handle some strikeouts if he is a 20 homerun catcher though.  I think the average will climb, the guy can hit.  Unless Martin for some reason decides to take less guaranteed money and re-sign in Pittsburgh on a 2-year deal, Sanchez is more than likely the starting catcher on opening day next season.  And I'm fine with that, he's earned a shot.
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Posted: 07/03/2014 4:31 AM

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cferrel3 wrote: I'm not worried about Sanchez's hitting, he has already proved he can hit MLB pitching at least decently.  Plus the walks and power is still good (5hr's in 106 at-bats), although the strikeouts are a little high.  I can handle some strikeouts if he is a 20 homerun catcher though.  I think the average will climb, the guy can hit.  Unless Martin for some reason decides to take less guaranteed money and re-sign in Pittsburgh on a 2-year deal, Sanchez is more than likely the starting catcher on opening day next season.  And I'm fine with that, he's earned a shot.

We'll agree to disagree. I don't know that he has earned anything with his defense.
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