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Gaby Sanchez Being Shopped...

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Posted: 06/09/2014 8:30 AM

Gaby Sanchez Being Shopped... 


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Jay Hay (5'8") may need to get a 1B glove. - or - Do you put Walker at 1B and Jay Hay at 2B against a LH starter (if Gaby is traded)?

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Posted: 06/09/2014 8:40 AM

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This I find odd.  I'd think they'd be willing to trade Davis, then bring up Lambo and platoon him with Gaby.  Maybe it's a contract issue since Gaby will be going into his 3rd arbitration season next year while Davis is going into his second.  Personally, I'd trade them both and just run with Lambo for the rest of the season.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:02 AM

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Interesting..... Not sure what sense it would make to trade G Sanchez. I doubt the return would be anything worth moving him for based on his role with the team.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:05 AM

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This seems very odd, since Gabby Sanchez has been the much more productive half of the first base platoon. Ike Davis cannot hit lefthanders at all, and does not hit righthanders particularly well.

So, who would either fill the spot in the platoon or take over as the full time first baseman? Lambo is hurt, and I do not see any other worthy or ready inhouse candidates. McGuiness? I hope not. He is not exactly lighting it up in AAA, although he has hit much better over the past 3-4 weeks.

I cannot imagine that Davis would yield much in a trade, especially given his contract and performance to date. I cannot imagine that Sanchez would yield much either, but for the right team and situation, he could be very useful.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:10 AM

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It seems pretty odd as well to me.

Sanchez won't make a lot of money in arbitration because they go off of counting stats and not rate stats. Since he's only a platoon player he's unlikely to exceed 300 at bats. At most in arbitration he would come out at 3-3.5 million.

Ike Davis is a platoon player so if you don't have Sanchez you need someone else. Sanchez is one of the best first baseman in baseball against lefties so getting anyone else is a huge downgrade. Combined next season I can't see Davis and Sanchez making more than 8 million combined at the max so it isn't a major amount so it can't be financial.

To me there are only two reasons this is out there. Either someone is just floating out a rumor with no real information or Sanchez asked to be traded because he wants a bigger role. I can't see why the Pirates would want to trade Sanchez since he's really, really good at what he does and you aren't going to get anything good for him if you do trade him. The only way you would trade him is if he doesn't want to be here and is causing problems and/or asked to be traded.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:20 AM

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When the rumors say the Texas Rangers and their farm system are the buyers,  I'd be throwing Sanchez name out their as well...
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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:48 AM

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I think Gabby is a good fit for the Pirates.

But everyone has a price, so no harm in listening if someone is interested in buying.

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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:48 AM

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I think Sanchez and many other Pirates players are "available in trade" as the MLBTR post suggests - for the right return.

Matt Hague is OPSing .919 against LHP in AAA. If we get into July and the Pirates are clearly out of the race (certainly not the case at this point), you might make the argument for moving Sanchez and bringing up Hague - provided that the return for Sanchez is something useful.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 10:03 AM

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Even still I'm not sure why you move Gaby Sanchez.

It made sense to use Andrew Lambo over Travis Ishikawa because Lambo had a lot of potential and Ishikawa has proven he wasn't very good.

Gaby Sanchez was the best first baseman in baseball against lefties last year. This year he has been excellent again. Matt Hague becomes a huge downgrade. He's only 2 years younger than Sanchez so he's pretty much AAAA. Hague should be destroying AAA.

I mean if they want to give you something stupid for Sanchez then I guess it makes sense but I think that's highly doubtful. The team can easily bring Sanchez back next year. The one guy I can see being moved to Texas is Russell Martin. He could yield major pieces and it's hard to see him coming back financially.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 10:10 AM

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katoy2j wrote: Even still I'm not sure why you move Gaby Sanchez.

It made sense to use Andrew Lambo over Travis Ishikawa because Lambo had a lot of potential and Ishikawa has proven he wasn't very good.

Gaby Sanchez was the best first baseman in baseball against lefties last year. This year he has been excellent again. Matt Hague becomes a huge downgrade. He's only 2 years younger than Sanchez so he's pretty much AAAA. Hague should be destroying AAA.

I mean if they want to give you something stupid for Sanchez then I guess it makes sense but I think that's highly doubtful. The team can easily bring Sanchez back next year. The one guy I can see being moved to Texas is Russell Martin. He could yield major pieces and it's hard to see him coming back financially.
I don't disagree with any of these points. I think you hurt your team for next year if you move Sanchez, but if someone wants to overpay...
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Posted: 06/09/2014 10:13 AM

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dirtyfrankwvu wrote:
katoy2j wrote: Even still I'm not sure why you move Gaby Sanchez.

It made sense to use Andrew Lambo over Travis Ishikawa because Lambo had a lot of potential and Ishikawa has proven he wasn't very good.

Gaby Sanchez was the best first baseman in baseball against lefties last year. This year he has been excellent again. Matt Hague becomes a huge downgrade. He's only 2 years younger than Sanchez so he's pretty much AAAA. Hague should be destroying AAA.

I mean if they want to give you something stupid for Sanchez then I guess it makes sense but I think that's highly doubtful. The team can easily bring Sanchez back next year. The one guy I can see being moved to Texas is Russell Martin. He could yield major pieces and it's hard to see him coming back financially.
I don't disagree with any of these points. I think you hurt your team for next year if you move Sanchez, but if someone wants to overpay...
Yeah maybe Texas will be so desparate due to injuries that overpay.... who knows... Seems odd though that Sanchez is being floated.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 10:21 AM

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Yeah but overpay is a cloudy term.

Technically getting a teams 10-15 best prospect in a deep system would be a massive overpay for a player like Sanchez. For example using the Pirates as an example if they would give up a healthy Clay Holmes for Sanchez that would be a huge overpay.

Still I wouldn't trade Sanchez for that because of how valuable I think he is. He's pretty much a superstar against lefties. He's going to have value as a pinch hitter in almost every game.

I can't see how any team would trade an impact prospect for Sanchez. I mean if they're going to give you Sardinas for him then sure I'll make that deal but I don't see them making that kind of deal. Perhaps maybe you package him and Martin a deal though and get a massive return.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 12:03 PM

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All rumors aren't true and I have my doubts about this one.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 12:19 PM

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Yeah I think this probably sums up my feelings best. Might as well listen, no hurt in that and with Texas desparate maybe they overpay.

 

gr1111 wrote: I think Gabby is a good fit for the Pirates.

But everyone has a price, so no harm in listening if someone is interested in buying.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 3:47 PM

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TBayXXXVII wrote: This I find odd.  I'd think they'd be willing to trade Davis, then bring up Lambo and platoon him with Gaby.  Maybe it's a contract issue since Gaby will be going into his 3rd arbitration season next year while Davis is going into his second.  Personally, I'd trade them both and just run with Lambo for the rest of the season.
Lambo is 25 years old. He's made 33 MLB plate appearances and struck out 11 times. By all means, let's put the first base position - where he's never played in the Majors - entirely in his hands.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 4:33 PM

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The fascination with Lambo never ceases to amaze me.


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TBayXXXVII wrote: This I find odd.  I'd think they'd be willing to trade Davis, then bring up Lambo and platoon him with Gaby.  Maybe it's a contract issue since Gaby will be going into his 3rd arbitration season next year while Davis is going into his second.  Personally, I'd trade them both and just run with Lambo for the rest of the season.
Lambo is 25 years old. He's made 33 MLB plate appearances and struck out 11 times. By all means, let's put the first base position - where he's never played in the Majors - entirely in his hands.

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Posted: 06/09/2014 7:42 PM

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gr1111 wrote: The fascination with Lambo never ceases to amaze me.


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TBayXXXVII wrote: This I find odd.  I'd think they'd be willing to trade Davis, then bring up Lambo and platoon him with Gaby.  Maybe it's a contract issue since Gaby will be going into his 3rd arbitration season next year while Davis is going into his second.  Personally, I'd trade them both and just run with Lambo for the rest of the season.
Lambo is 25 years old. He's made 33 MLB plate appearances and struck out 11 times. By all means, let's put the first base position - where he's never played in the Majors - entirely in his hands.

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It's not so much a fascination with me, it's a guess that they might feel that way about if based on how he's performed in Indy.
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Posted: 06/10/2014 6:48 AM

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TBayXXXVII wrote:
gr1111 wrote: The fascination with Lambo never ceases to amaze me.


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TBayXXXVII wrote: This I find odd.  I'd think they'd be willing to trade Davis, then bring up Lambo and platoon him with Gaby.  Maybe it's a contract issue since Gaby will be going into his 3rd arbitration season next year while Davis is going into his second.  Personally, I'd trade them both and just run with Lambo for the rest of the season.
Lambo is 25 years old. He's made 33 MLB plate appearances and struck out 11 times. By all means, let's put the first base position - where he's never played in the Majors - entirely in his hands.

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It's not so much a fascination with me, it's a guess that they might feel that way about if based on how he's performed in Indy.


I understand.  I just find it interesting that here some think Lambo is the great unused asset, even though he hasn't shown anything yet at the mlb level and, frankly, management has never shown any confidence in him as being an answer to anything.  They hesitated to bring him up last year, kept him off the opening day roster this year, and traded for Ike Davis rather than bringing him up after a hot start.  jmo.

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Posted: 06/10/2014 8:29 AM

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gr1111 wrote:
TBayXXXVII wrote:
gr1111 wrote: The fascination with Lambo never ceases to amaze me.


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TBayXXXVII wrote: This I find odd.  I'd think they'd be willing to trade Davis, then bring up Lambo and platoon him with Gaby.  Maybe it's a contract issue since Gaby will be going into his 3rd arbitration season next year while Davis is going into his second.  Personally, I'd trade them both and just run with Lambo for the rest of the season.
Lambo is 25 years old. He's made 33 MLB plate appearances and struck out 11 times. By all means, let's put the first base position - where he's never played in the Majors - entirely in his hands.

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It's not so much a fascination with me, it's a guess that they might feel that way about if based on how he's performed in Indy.


I understand.  I just find it interesting that here some think Lambo is the great unused asset, even though he hasn't shown anything yet at the mlb level and, frankly, management has never shown any confidence in him as being an answer to anything.  They hesitated to bring him up last year, kept him off the opening day roster this year, and traded for Ike Davis rather than bringing him up after a hot start.  jmo.
Agree with everything.
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Posted: 06/10/2014 10:07 AM

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I have not found MLBTR to be worth much over the years.  The only way trading Sanchez makes any sense at all is exactly what some have already mentioned upthread: if the Rangers or somebody else is willing to do an overpay.  Otherwise, the first base platoon seems to be working out pretty well for the Pirates overall.  I was quite skeptical about Davis at first, but maybe some of his troubles with the Mets really were due to injury; supposedly he tried to play through something least year and that was one of the reasons why he struggled so badly.  No doubt the fact that the Pirates are limiting him to facing righthanders has something to do with it, too, but all in all he has done well enough for us, though he has not hit with as much power as we might have expected based on his track record.  But I will gladly take his higher average---provided he can sustain it---in exchange for a lower home run total. 


Back to Sanchez.  He has destroyed lefties for the past two seasons and he is a useful late inning guy coming off the bench.  He is not expensive and won't be, given that he is unlikely to see more than about half a season's worth of at bats for us.  Why trade him?  It doesn't add up.

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