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Two awesome plays...

Posted: 07/05/2013 2:24 PM

Two awesome plays... 


Probably didn't need its own thread, but two awesome plays already in todays game.  The steal of home by Cutch was awesome, and that play by Alvarez playing "shortstop" was incredible.  That was really impressive.  Wow.
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Posted: 07/05/2013 2:28 PM

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I just got home from the zoo, played some Fight Night on the PS3, thought I'd check what time the game started...then saw the scoring summary and went "Huh.  That's neat."

JFC 2013 Bluegrass Jam
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Posted: 07/05/2013 2:34 PM

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haha yeah, almost forgot it was a day game myself. I would suggest going to mlb.com after the game and checking those two plays out.  Maybe I'll post them later.
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Posted: 07/05/2013 3:18 PM

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Also, didn't want to make another thread so I'll post the thought here lol.

I really like that Jose Tabata is being given a chance to play everyday and I love that Hurdle called him into his office and told him to "let it loose" basically saying that it is his position for the next few weeks and his chance to grab ahold of the RF spot.  This is what I wish they would have done on opening day.  It doesn't mean he will succeed, but he needed to be given a shot to grab the position.  He has responded well in these three games, and has a couple more hits today.  And has used his speed with an rbi infield single and a triple.  I hope he succeeds so we can boost the top of the lineup.
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Posted: 07/05/2013 3:31 PM

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cferrel3 wrote: Also, didn't want to make another thread so I'll post the thought here lol.

I really like that Jose Tabata is being given a chance to play everyday and I love that Hurdle called him into his office and told him to "let it loose" basically saying that it is his position for the next few weeks and his chance to grab ahold of the RF spot.  This is what I wish they would have done on opening day.  It doesn't mean he will succeed, but he needed to be given a shot to grab the position.  He has responded well in these three games, and has a couple more hits today.  And has used his speed with an rbi infield single and a triple.  I hope he succeeds so we can boost the top of the lineup.
We've seen that Snider ain't it.  Before the Bucs trade for anybody, let's see who will do it internally.  It's a GREAT idea.  I'm glad they did it with Mercer, too, regardless of whose idea it was.  He doesn't carry an iron glove into the field, and it works.  

I wonder if Jose is one of those guys that just do better when they're not particularly worried about their job.  Before getting hurt his first year here, he was phenomenal.  Then Presley came up and played out of his mind.  Now Snider is here. Oh, I hear the chants of "mental midget" and all that, but the reality is, there are some guys that can't play well until they can relax a bit.

In the end, if it works, great.  There needs to be one fewer hole in the lineup, and that's right field.  I wouldn't mind Snider quite as much if it didn't appear that he just doesn't care about his body--he brags about liking to eat a lot on his twitter page.  So do I, and I'm currently built more like a right guard than a right fielder.

Of course, I'd mind him less if he could still hit.

JFC 2013 Bluegrass Jam
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Posted: 07/05/2013 5:31 PM

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I have to agree with the above. He did the same with Mercer. He made them earn it. Nice to see Mercer get three walks today. Two less than Barmes all season. Martin replacing Barajas same deal. He works pitchers for walks. Walks are the most underated stat in BB. Good as a hit. Gets pitcher throwing pitches. Puts men on base. Both Mercer @ Martin are HUGE upgrades from previous two folks playing position. Everybody in lineup can now have the possibility to get on base. No more B@B@ pitcher. Grab hold of it Tabata, Hurdle has opened the door.
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Posted: 07/05/2013 6:37 PM

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cferrel3 wrote: Also, didn't want to make another thread so I'll post the thought here lol.

I really like that Jose Tabata is being given a chance to play everyday and I love that Hurdle called him into his office and told him to "let it loose" basically saying that it is his position for the next few weeks and his chance to grab ahold of the RF spot.  This is what I wish they would have done on opening day.  It doesn't mean he will succeed, but he needed to be given a shot to grab the position.  He has responded well in these three games, and has a couple more hits today.  And has used his speed with an rbi infield single and a triple.  I hope he succeeds so we can boost the top of the lineup.

Tabata is their best option.  Snider just hasn't produced.  Snider may be a good pinch hitter though.

While its great to see Tabata do well, its also possible they are showcasing Tabata where he could be involved in a deal for a better RF.  I don't think Tabata is a Hurdle guy - and I don't think he's ever going to be a Hurdle guy.
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Posted: 07/05/2013 6:54 PM

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I see a different guy in Tabata physically. He looks much more lean, fit and muscular. I am all for giving him the RF job for the next month prior to the deadline. I would not stop taking phone calls though.
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Posted: 07/05/2013 7:10 PM

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abitoutside wrote: I see a different guy in Tabata physically. He looks much more lean, fit and muscular. I am all for giving him the RF job for the next month prior to the deadline. I would not stop taking phone calls though.
Tabata came into the season in better shape and it was well known and talked about. Everyone hoped it would end his chronic pulled muscle problem. Apparently, it didn't. They have to give someone a shot in RF. Snider doesn't hit well enough. Presley and Lambo are other options. I don't think it would be a bad strategy to platoon Jose with one of the lefties. Cut Inge and bring one up.
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Posted: 07/05/2013 8:39 PM

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Snider will likely be one of the first round misses, unfortunately.  I don't see him being much more than a bench player in Pittsburgh from here on out.  He looked pretty good in the early part of the season, but...no more.  It's okay, many first rounders wash out.  If, however, Jose or a combination of Jose and somebody else works, then who really cares?  The Bucs didn't give up an every day player for Snider.

The only thing that is a bit of a concern with Jose is some of the injuries.  Over the long haul, we shall see.

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Posted: 07/06/2013 1:22 PM

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abitoutside wrote: I see a different guy in Tabata physically. He looks much more lean, fit and muscular. I am all for giving him the RF job for the next month prior to the deadline. I would not stop taking phone calls though.


This is probably the best approach.  I do like the fact that they finally told someone, anyone, else in the organization besides Snider that "here's your chance, kid, now let's see what you do with it".  I would much rather that guy have been Presley than Tabata, but as others have pointed out, there are several possible paths the Pirates can pursue going forward.  Tabata is just one of them.  He or Presley or Snider or two of the three in any combination could be traded.  They could opt to upgrade first base and platoon Tabata with Jones---though the way Jones is sinking, that is becoming increasingly less likely.  That is, it's becoming less likely that Jones will play in right, not that he might be replaced at first base.

 

What I fear might happen is that we get a scorching 6 weeks out of Tabata, we zoom past the trade deadline confident that he's finally figured it out, then he gets hurt in August and meanwhile we've traded Presley.  That would definitely not be good. 

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Posted: 07/06/2013 1:34 PM

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I don't think it matters with Presley. They had plenty of chances to use him when Tabata was hurt and Snider was struggling. They still didn't want to give him at bats and instead pushed Jones to the outfield to get Sanchez in the lineup against a righty which in my opinion is a mistake or put Inge in the outfield which was beyond insane. I would of been fine with seeing Presley get some time. Or even Lambo for that matter. Or even De Jesus. I think the writing is pretty clear on the wall that Presley is not in this teams future plans. If he isn't traded before the deadline I seriously doubt he will be kept on the 40 man roster for next season. Whoever we get in RF, Presley is likely to go the other way as a guy the other team can put in their outfield. I think he's talented enough that he could of served a bigger role but the powers that be disagree.
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Posted: 07/06/2013 1:38 PM

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katoy2j wrote: I don't think it matters with Presley. They had plenty of chances to use him when Tabata was hurt and Snider was struggling. They still didn't want to give him at bats and instead pushed Jones to the outfield to get Sanchez in the lineup against a righty which in my opinion is a mistake or put Inge in the outfield which was beyond insane. I would of been fine with seeing Presley get some time. Or even Lambo for that matter. Or even De Jesus. I think the writing is pretty clear on the wall that Presley is not in this teams future plans. If he isn't traded before the deadline I seriously doubt he will be kept on the 40 man roster for next season. Whoever we get in RF, Presley is likely to go the other way as a guy the other team can put in their outfield. I think he's talented enough that he could of served a bigger role but the powers that be disagree.

Well said, excellent (if sad) summary.
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Posted: 07/06/2013 3:32 PM

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Don't forget about the Martin RF experiment.

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I don't think it matters with Presley. They had plenty of chances to use him when Tabata was hurt and Snider was struggling. They still didn't want to give him at bats and instead pushed Jones to the outfield to get Sanchez in the lineup against a righty which in my opinion is a mistake or put Inge in the outfield which was beyond insane. I would of been fine with seeing Presley get some time. Or even Lambo for that matter. Or even De Jesus. I think the writing is pretty clear on the wall that Presley is not in this teams future plans. If he isn't traded before the deadline I seriously doubt he will be kept on the 40 man roster for next season. Whoever we get in RF, Presley is likely to go the other way as a guy the other team can put in their outfield. I think he's talented enough that he could of served a bigger role but the powers that be disagree.

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Posted: 07/06/2013 6:29 PM

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Yes, Presley didn't make the team out of spring training and isn't even currently on the major league roster. One thing is for certain - you can't succeed in the major leagues if you aren't even in the major leagues.

In fairness to the organization, Presley did get a chance to start at the beginning of last year and didn't take advantage of it. He now has 625 MLB at bats, and hasn't proven himself. It may not always be entirely fair, but in this league you only get so many chances, especially at Presley's age. He just hasn't grabbed the bull by the horns, and apparently hasn't shown the PTB enough for them to want to give him more chances.

For now, he's a worthwhile extra outfielder to keep in AAA in case of injury. That may be about it.


As for Tabata, he's 4-14 (.285) in his four games back. Not spectacular, but so far so good.

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katoy2j wrote: I don't think it matters with Presley. They had plenty of chances to use him when Tabata was hurt and Snider was struggling. They still didn't want to give him at bats and instead pushed Jones to the outfield to get Sanchez in the lineup against a righty which in my opinion is a mistake or put Inge in the outfield which was beyond insane. I would of been fine with seeing Presley get some time. Or even Lambo for that matter. Or even De Jesus. I think the writing is pretty clear on the wall that Presley is not in this teams future plans. If he isn't traded before the deadline I seriously doubt he will be kept on the 40 man roster for next season. Whoever we get in RF, Presley is likely to go the other way as a guy the other team can put in their outfield. I think he's talented enough that he could of served a bigger role but the powers that be disagree.

Well said, excellent (if sad) summary.

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Posted: 07/07/2013 10:36 AM

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Yes, Presley didn't make the team out of spring training and isn't even currently on the major league roster. One thing is for certain - you can't succeed in the major leagues if you aren't even in the major leagues.

In fairness to the organization, Presley did get a chance to start at the beginning of last year and didn't take advantage of it. He now has 625 MLB at bats, and hasn't proven himself. It may not always be entirely fair, but in this league you only get so many chances, especially at Presley's age. He just hasn't grabbed the bull by the horns, and apparently hasn't shown the PTB enough for them to want to give him more chances.

For now, he's a worthwhile extra outfielder to keep in AAA in case of injury. That may be about it.


As for Tabata, he's 4-14 (.285) in his four games back. Not spectacular, but so far so good.


Again, I don't get this perspective.  In 625 career at bats---or, roughly the equivalent of one full season in the big leagues---here are Presley's stats: a .262 average with 28 doubles, 13 triples, 16 home runs, 47 RBI, and 19 steals (though with 12 caught stealing).  Great?  No.  More than respectable, particularly when you consider the yo-yo he's been on between Triple-A and Pittsburgh?  Definitely.  More than good enough to get the nod over perpetually injured and perenially malcontent Jose Tabata, and more than good enough to get a shot versus Baron Harkonnen Travis Snider.  But, whatever.  Obviously, Alex "just isn't their guy", and sometimes that's just the way it is and there's nothing you can do about it.  So, I hope they do right by him and trade him as soon as possible to another team where he can get a legitimate shot to compete for a starting job, and where he is no worse than the strong fourth outfielder he has already more than proven himself to be, in my book.

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