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Posted: 04/17/2013 7:34 AM

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92Pedro AlvarezPIT4133000100516.073.174.073.247-0.2



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Posted: 04/17/2013 7:36 AM

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Why is this necessary?  I have an answer, it's not.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 7:37 AM

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He can hit against Jake Westbrook, slump or no slump.

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Posted: 04/17/2013 7:44 AM

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Last year he was hitting .191 at the end of May.  I'll wait to see what he does over the next 7 weeks before I get worried.  I'm past complaining about him.  He'll be gone in 2 years... 3 at the most.

That said, I'd love to see him batting 3rd.  It's a pipe dream that'll likely never happen, but if there were ever time to really shake up this lineup, it's now.

1. Tabata
2. Walker
3. Alvarez
4. McCutchen
5. Marte
6. Jones/Sanchez
7. Martin/McKenry
8. Barmes

I think that would be an extremely productive lineup.  If Snider is in there, I'd consider putting Walker 1 and Snider 2... but Marte 1, Snider 2, Jones 5, and Walker 6 might be the best options.

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Posted: 04/17/2013 7:57 AM

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Cutch isn't moving from the 3 spot.

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Posted: 04/17/2013 8:02 AM

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Last year he had a worse spring training than he did this year and last year on April 17 he was hitting .042.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 8:05 AM

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WeRNotTheirRivals wrote:
92Pedro AlvarezPIT4133000100516.073.174.073.247-0.2
Pedro is ranked 101 of 101 for players that have enough at bats to quality for the NL batting title.  Martin is 100th.  Fortunately Barmes does not have enough at bats to quality.  He would have been 98th.

Marte is currently 7th.

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Posted: 04/17/2013 8:07 AM

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gr1111 wrote: Cutch isn't moving from the 3 spot.

Yeah, I'd definitely would bet against it.  I'm just going by how Pedro has produced in the past.  In both college and the minors, he's done very well when betting 2nd and 3rd.  I'd like to see what he'd do batting 3rd here.  McCutchen is an all around solid hitter.  I think he can produce from anywhere in the lineup.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 8:09 AM

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Sangue wrote:
WeRNotTheirRivals wrote:
92Pedro AlvarezPIT4133000100516.073.174.073.247-0.2
Pedro is ranked 101 of 101 for players that have enough at bats to quality for the NL batting title.  Martin is 100th.  Fortunately Barmes does not have enought at bats to quality.  He would have been 98th.

Marte is currently 7th.
That's actually pretty funny.  Huntington's big free agents and biggest draft pick, are 3 of the four worst hitters in the NL.  C'mon, who can't laugh at that?
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Posted: 04/17/2013 9:42 AM

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TBayXXXVII wrote:
Sangue wrote:
WeRNotTheirRivals wrote:
92Pedro AlvarezPIT4133000100516.073.174.073.247-0.2
Pedro is ranked 101 of 101 for players that have enough at bats to quality for the NL batting title.  Martin is 100th.  Fortunately Barmes does not have enought at bats to quality.  He would have been 98th.

Marte is currently 7th.
That's actually pretty funny.  Huntington's big free agents and biggest draft pick, are 3 of the four worst hitters in the NL.  C'mon, who can't laugh at that?
cferrel:  "why is this necessary?  all is good.  huntingdon good.  nutting good.  pirates more successful than steeler or penguins."



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Posted: 04/17/2013 9:51 AM

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WeRNotTheirRivals wrote:
TBayXXXVII wrote:
Sangue wrote:
WeRNotTheirRivals wrote:
92Pedro AlvarezPIT4133000100516.073.174.073.247-0.2
Pedro is ranked 101 of 101 for players that have enough at bats to quality for the NL batting title.  Martin is 100th.  Fortunately Barmes does not have enought at bats to quality.  He would have been 98th.

Marte is currently 7th.
That's actually pretty funny.  Huntington's big free agents and biggest draft pick, are 3 of the four worst hitters in the NL.  C'mon, who can't laugh at that?
cferrel:  "why is this necessary?  all is good.  huntingdon good.  nutting good.  pirates more successful than steeler or penguins."

Learn to spell and use grammar before you make a weak attempt at an insult.  Obviously the reasoning went right over your head, not surprising.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 9:58 AM

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TBayXXXVII wrote:

Last year he was hitting .191 at the end of May.  I'll wait to see what he does over the next 7 weeks before I get worried.  I'm past complaining about him.  He'll be gone in 2 years... 3 at the most.

That said, I'd love to see him batting 3rd.  It's a pipe dream that'll likely never happen, but if there were ever time to really shake up this lineup, it's now.

1. Tabata
2. Walker
3. Alvarez
4. McCutchen
5. Marte
6. Jones/Sanchez
7. Martin/McKenry
8. Barmes

I think that would be an extremely productive lineup.  If Snider is in there, I'd consider putting Walker 1 and Snider 2... but Marte 1, Snider 2, Jones 5, and Walker 6 might be the best options.

How maddening would it be though to watch him (a) strikeout or (b) pull a grounder into a double play to end the inning with Cutch standing on deck. 

Until he becomes more consistent, he's just fine in the six spot in my opinion.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 10:41 AM

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WVUKowski wrote:
TBayXXXVII wrote:

Last year he was hitting .191 at the end of May.  I'll wait to see what he does over the next 7 weeks before I get worried.  I'm past complaining about him.  He'll be gone in 2 years... 3 at the most.

That said, I'd love to see him batting 3rd.  It's a pipe dream that'll likely never happen, but if there were ever time to really shake up this lineup, it's now.

1. Tabata
2. Walker
3. Alvarez
4. McCutchen
5. Marte
6. Jones/Sanchez
7. Martin/McKenry
8. Barmes

I think that would be an extremely productive lineup.  If Snider is in there, I'd consider putting Walker 1 and Snider 2... but Marte 1, Snider 2, Jones 5, and Walker 6 might be the best options.

How maddening would it be though to watch him (a) strikeout or (b) pull a grounder into a double play to end the inning with Cutch standing on deck. 

Until he becomes more consistent, he's just fine in the six spot in my opinion.

Believe me, I've been very skeptical of Pedro for a long time... many here will atest to that.  That being said, like I mentioned above, Alvarez has been extremely productive in college and in the minors batting 3rd.  Maybe that's where he's the most comfortable.  If that's the case, try him out.  Look, they tried him out batting 4th for 37 games in his career... where he hit .135/.220/.218, why can't they give the guy 10-15 games batting 3rd?  It's not like he can do any worse.  Besides, what's the difference between watching him strikeout with McCutchen on deck watching him strike out with McCutchen on 2nd base?  Either way, game over.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 11:16 AM

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cferrel3 wrote: Why is this necessary?  I have an answer, it's not.

It's necessary because it is reality.  It's necessary because of wag-the-dog fans who insist against all reality that some players are great when they plainly are not.  It's necessary because Pedro now has more than 1,100 major league at bats and is apparently even worse than he was last year when it comes to his extended streaks of unbelievable futility at the plate.  It's necessary because it is difficult to win games when one of your supposed cornerstones is worse than useless at the plate more often than not.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 11:21 AM

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Besides, what's the difference between watching him strikeout with McCutchen on deck watching him strike out with McCutchen on 2nd base?  Either way, game over.


Answer... maybe 2 runs if Marte and Walker were on when Cutch got on base to get to 2nd.

I get what you are saying with Alvarez and would definitely give it a shot if say McCutchen was hurt for an extended period of time, but I would be totally against moving Cutch out of the 3 hole because he is clearly there best hitter.

I would be hesistant to move Marte to 5 as well because again, he is probably their 2nd best hitter already. I like him getting as many ABs as possible and dropping him to 5 would reduce his ABs.

If Tabata stays hot and forces them to play him, then I would ok with Tabata leading off and Marte hitting 2nd. But that stacks righties in the order but not sure that is such a huge drawback if they are good hitters. Outside the box thinking could have Marte hit 3rd and Cutch 4th as well, but again, even with Marte hitting 3rd, same concerns as before with moving Cutch out of the 3 hole.

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Posted: 04/17/2013 11:32 AM

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It will start to get necessary soon. I have defended Alvarez because you have to wait out the growing pains, but at some point you can't accept the "offense" he has provided to date. I give him to the all star break because we have no other options and then I would be shopping for a 3b.

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Posted: 04/17/2013 11:33 AM

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williamjpellas wrote:
cferrel3 wrote: Why is this necessary?  I have an answer, it's not.

It's necessary because it is reality.  It's necessary because of wag-the-dog fans who insist against all reality that some players are great when they plainly are not.  It's necessary because Pedro now has more than 1,100 major league at bats and is apparently even worse than he was last year when it comes to his extended streaks of unbelievable futility at the plate.  It's necessary because it is difficult to win games when one of your supposed cornerstones is worse than useless at the plate more often than not.

We know you think Pedro is Rob Deer, we all get it, you have beat that drum to the point of breaking.  When he gets on fire you dismiss it as "just a hot streak" so lets dismiss this as a slump.  All players go through slumps.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 11:34 AM

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BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: It will start to get necessary soon. I have defended Alvarez because you have to wait out the growing pains, but at some point you can't accept the "offense" he has provided to date. I give him to the all star break because we have no other options and then I would be shopping for a 3b.

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It is two weeks into the season, good lord lol.  Neil Walker was the worst hitter in the history of the planet a couple games ago, but then got hot.  This is baseball, a game of failure, he will have plenty good enough numbers by the all-star break, if not by the end of May.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 11:54 AM

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Besides, what's the difference between watching him strikeout with McCutchen on deck watching him strike out with McCutchen on 2nd base?  Either way, game over.


Answer... maybe 2 runs if Marte and Walker were on when Cutch got on base to get to 2nd.

I get what you are saying with Alvarez and would definitely give it a shot if say McCutchen was hurt for an extended period of time, but I would be totally against moving Cutch out of the 3 hole because he is clearly there best hitter.

I would be hesistant to move Marte to 5 as well because again, he is probably their 2nd best hitter already. I like him getting as many ABs as possible and dropping him to 5 would reduce his ABs.

If Tabata stays hot and forces them to play him, then I would ok with Tabata leading off and Marte hitting 2nd. But that stacks righties in the order but not sure that is such a huge drawback if they are good hitters. Outside the box thinking could have Marte hit 3rd and Cutch 4th as well, but again, even with Marte hitting 3rd, same concerns as before with moving Cutch out of the 3 hole.

At this very point in time yeah, I'm with you on all of this, I'm just thinking about July, 2014, 2015, etc.  The skill sets that Tabata, Marte, et al, possess, lend to them batting in positions in the lineup to where they're not batting right now.  Marte is much better suited for the middle of the lineup, not leading off.  Tabata is best suited to bat 1st.  Walker is better batting 2nd or 5th (best at batting 2nd).

I keep going back to this, but as I've said before, Pedro has shown great ability to hit for average and power batting 3rd in college and in the minors... maybe that's where he's most comfortable hitting.  If that's where we can get a more consistant .285 / 30 HR version of Pedro, then he's more valuable that way than being a .255 / 35 HR guy batting 5th or 6th.  Now, I don't know that he can be that guy, but to me it's worth a 10-15 game trial to see. 

I'll be honest, I like the prospect of the 2014 team a lot more than the 2013 team.  I'm very skeptical about McDonald, Pedro, Martin, Snider, Tabata, and Barmes just being on the team.  Nor do I expect any of them (expect Pedro), being on the team in April 2014.  I'm very skeptical about Burnett and Rodriguez being our #1 and #2... being the #2 and #3 is ok, but #3 and #4 would be better.  They're both MLB #3's right now in their career's meaning, you would probably be able to list about 50-60 starters you'd rather have on your team before you'd get to either one of them.  I think this is a 60-70 win team, so I don't really see any harm in trying different scenario's to see if something works.

I think the current lineup only holds 3 legitimate every day hitters, Marte, McCutchen, and Walker.  Jones, Pedro, and Sanchez are all platoon guys.  Everyone else is a bench player.  That's not a recipe for a winning team.
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Posted: 04/17/2013 12:03 PM

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We know you think Pedro is Rob Deer, we all get it, you have beat that drum to the point of breaking. When he gets on fire you dismiss it as "just a hot streak" so lets dismiss this as a slump. All players go through slumps.


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