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Morris and DeJesus Sent Down to Indy

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Posted: 03/22/2013 6:21 AM

Morris and DeJesus Sent Down to Indy 


Last edited 03/22/2013 6:25 AM by Sangue

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Posted: 03/22/2013 6:32 AM

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I thought for sure he was going to be part of the pen to start the season.  Wonder what this means?

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Posted: 03/22/2013 6:51 AM

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WVUKowski wrote:

I thought for sure he was going to be part of the pen to start the season.  Wonder what this means?



I think the stuff about Morris definitely making the team was based on the belief that he didn't have any options left.  But this spring somebody "discovered" that he has one more.

Morris' spring ERA was 5.14 and he struggled with his control, so it is hard to say he "earned" a spot.  Hopefully he performs well in AAA and gets a call up when a spot becomes available.

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Last edited 03/22/2013 6:57 AM by gr1111

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Posted: 03/22/2013 7:06 AM

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Yeah, but I still say Morris must have insulted Hurdle's mom or dated Opie's sister or Bob's daughter and left her at the altar or something.  It's beyond ridiculous with this guy.  Lesser pitchers than Morris continue to make the roster while he continues to over-ripen in Triple A---which does him no good and the organization no good.  At some point, you have to either graduate your kids and throw them into the fire, or you have to trade them while they still have real or perceived value in the eyes of other organizations.  Keeping him and others, most notably Justin Wilson and Whatsisname Mercer, in Triple A when they have nothing more to prove down there is retarding their development and devaluing them as potential trade assets.  Why this is happening, again and again, is the question.  Specifically regarding Morris, either he is a complete and total dumb jock, clubhouse cancer, pain in the rear, or the organization just doesn't like him.  In which case, why not trade him?  If I still had any hair I'd be yanking it out in handfuls.  crazy

Last edited 03/22/2013 7:11 AM by williamjpellas

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Posted: 03/22/2013 7:11 AM

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williamjpellas wrote: Yeah, but I still say Morris must have insulted Hurdle's mom or dated Opie's sister or Bob's daughter and left her at the altar or something.  It's beyond ridiculous with this guy.  Either he is a complete and total dumb jock, clubhouse cancer, pain in the rear, or the organization just doesn't like him.
Yep - he must not be a Hurdle boy.  Do the guy a favor and trade him then.

That being said, I think Jonathan Sanchez is going to make the team and it came down to Morris (with an option) or Leroux (without an option) to make space for Sanchez.
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Posted: 03/22/2013 7:31 AM

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Sangue wrote: Yep - he must not be a Hurdle boy.  Do the guy a favor and trade him then.

That being said, I think Jonathan Sanchez is going to make the team and it came down to Morris (with an option) or Leroux (without an option) to make space for Sanchez.

Leroux being Exhibit A of "a lesser pitcher (than Morris) who continues to make the team", at least as far as I am concerned.  What, Leroux is SO valuable and it's so hard to get comparable "just a guy" bullpen arms like him that he should make the 25 man roster over a former top draft pick like Morris?  I don't see it and I don't get it.
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Posted: 03/22/2013 7:51 AM

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williamjpellas wrote:
Sangue wrote: Yep - he must not be a Hurdle boy.  Do the guy a favor and trade him then.

That being said, I think Jonathan Sanchez is going to make the team and it came down to Morris (with an option) or Leroux (without an option) to make space for Sanchez.

Leroux being Exhibit A of "a lesser pitcher (than Morris) who continues to make the team", at least as far as I am concerned.  What, Leroux is SO valuable and it's so hard to get comparable "just a guy" bullpen arms like him that he should make the 25 man roster over a former top draft pick like Morris?  I don't see it and I don't get it.
Morris must be livid.  I'm sure we'll see him soon.  Down the road I wouldn't expect any "hometown discounts" from Morris.
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Posted: 03/22/2013 8:29 AM

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I'm beginning to think we may be more interested in winning at the AAA level than the MLB level
"I originally said he would get fired in mid-May after a poor start, but honestly, he might not make it to May at this rate." A 'professional' opinion of Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle 4/8/13
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Posted: 03/22/2013 8:33 AM

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He should have pitched better.

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Posted: 03/22/2013 8:54 AM

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gr1111 wrote: He should have pitched better.
I agree with you there.  There were a couple young pitchers that had a chance to step up and shine in spring training.  Sadly, the few that did are too young *it would cost too much* to bring them up now.

Tony Sanchez will already know the ins and outs of our entire staff if/when he gets here -- so there's that.
"I originally said he would get fired in mid-May after a poor start, but honestly, he might not make it to May at this rate." A 'professional' opinion of Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle 4/8/13
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Posted: 03/22/2013 8:55 AM

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Morris should be in the pen, hands down, period.  Awful decision.  I don't get it, he has nothing left to prove in AAA and he isn't a guy with fringe stuff.  He has elite, later inning, potential closer, stuff in his arsenal and is ready for a shot.  Horrible.
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Posted: 03/22/2013 9:02 AM

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gr1111 wrote: He should have pitched better.

Morris had a .130 batting average against and a 1.14 WHIP.

Huntington has been on record stating ERA is far from the best stat to judge relievers by.  Morris had a 5.14 ERA in 7 IP this spring.

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Posted: 03/22/2013 9:07 AM

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cferrel3 wrote: Morris should be in the pen, hands down, period.  Awful decision.  I don't get it, he has nothing left to prove in AAA and he isn't a guy with fringe stuff.  He has elite, later inning, potential closer, stuff in his arsenal and is ready for a shot.  Horrible.

What he said.  Word.
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Posted: 03/22/2013 9:07 AM

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For some reason the front office is enamored with Leroux.




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Posted: 03/22/2013 9:25 AM

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burghsports3 wrote: For some reason the front office is enamored with Leroux.

I think Leroux is essentially another Chris Resop - just so-so.
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Posted: 03/22/2013 9:27 AM

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Sangue wrote:
gr1111 wrote: He should have pitched better.

Morris had a .130 batting average against and a 1.14 WHIP.

Huntington has been on record stating ERA is far from the best stat to judge relievers by.  Morris had a 5.14 ERA in 7 IP this spring.


Yet Huntington chose to send Morris down.

From what I understand, it was Morris' lack of control that did him in.  He walked several and pitched from behind in the count most of the time.

And to do so, Huntington had to go to the trouble of applying to Major League Baseball to get Morris an extra option year.  MLB approved the request yesterday, and the Pirates cut him today.

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Posted: 03/22/2013 11:25 AM

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“That's the unfortunate part about decisions this late in camp — sometimes (options) come into play when there's not clear separation,” general manager Neal Huntington said. “There's very little doubt Bryan is going to help us at some point this summer. It allows him to go down and refine some things. When he does that, he's doing to be a very good major league pitcher for a long time.”

http://triblive.com/sports/pir...p#axzz2OBMFFOcT

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Posted: 03/22/2013 11:42 AM

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Actually I'm really high on Leroux as well. His peripherals were awesome last year 0.8 HR/9, 1.6 BB/9, 9.5 K/9

He was great for Canada in the WBC and he has been awesome this spring as well. 7.0 IP, 0.0 HR/9, 0.0 BB/9, 7.7 K/9

He also has the ability to start so I wouldn't want to lose him. He's had a lot of injury history but he is very talented and the team reworked his delivery the last few years with good results. I think he will be a solid reliever.

All that being said I would still have Morris on the team as well. Sanchez should not start the year in the majors as his control is just too wonky. Let him figure it out in the minors.
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Posted: 03/22/2013 12:50 PM

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Actually Sanchez' control has been really good lately. He's only walked 2 batters in his last 10 innings of work while throwing 8 consecutive shutout innings. He has a chance to nab a spot in the rotation, as Karstens isn't ready yet to throw more than 3 or 4 innings.




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Posted: 03/22/2013 1:01 PM

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In fairness, Sanchez has had a couple of seasons in which he has been really good.  He is the rare lefthanded starting pitcher who is a power pitcher---on the rare occasions when he has been healthy.  He is certainly a good buy low candidate, but again, I'm not sure how all of this works in an organization supposedly committed, above and beyond everything else, to rebuilding from within.  I don't know if it's something psychological or what, but I'm beginning to think that the Pirates, at least in their front office, have the MLB franchise equivalent of Little Man Syndrome.  You know, instead of accepting reality and trying to become the best lightweight boxer or tank commander or astronaut or whatever other job description actually favors men of smaller stature, they keep trying to put on elevator shoes and working out until they puke.  In other words they keep going after this or that tarnished bauble to "prove" they belong with the big boys instead of accepting life as Tampa Bay North.  Again, maybe Bob Nutting has enough liquid cash that he can keep up with the mid-market boys if nothing else, and of course he can spend his money any way he likes.  But all in all it is very, VERY strange to my eyes, what this team is doing lately in terms of talent acquisition.  Now that the kids are finally starting to arrive, they look elsewhere.  When they SHOULD HAVE been bringing in the Sanchezes of the world was four and five years ago, when the rebuild was just beginning, to keep the team from being unbelievably bad beyond belief while they rebuilt the minors.  Instead, they undercompensated four and five years ago, and they're overcompensating now.  It's downright weird, I'm telling yinz.

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