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"The Black Hole"

Posted: 03/21/2013 10:59 AM

"The Black Hole" 


I'm going to officially petition for the shortstop position on the Pirates to be nicknamed "The Black Hole".

Reasoning:  Barmes and McDonald will almost assuredly be a "black hole" in the 8 spot of the batting order (a bad thing, probably hit a combined .230/.240), but will also be considered a "black hole" on defense (a good thing as both are well above-average defensive shortstops).

What do you all think? lol.  Any other nicknames for players or positions (including this one) are welcomed.
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Posted: 03/21/2013 12:35 PM

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cferrel3 wrote: I'm going to officially petition for the shortstop position on the Pirates to be nicknamed "The Black Hole".

Reasoning:  Barmes and McDonald will almost assuredly be a "black hole" in the 8 spot of the batting order (a bad thing, probably hit a combined .230/.240), but will also be considered a "black hole" on defense (a good thing as both are well above-average defensive shortstops).

What do you all think? lol.  Any other nicknames for players or positions (including this one) are welcomed.


Well, I guess "Murderer's Row" has already been taken.... tongue
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Posted: 03/21/2013 12:39 PM

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williamjpellas wrote:
cferrel3 wrote: I'm going to officially petition for the shortstop position on the Pirates to be nicknamed "The Black Hole".

Reasoning:  Barmes and McDonald will almost assuredly be a "black hole" in the 8 spot of the batting order (a bad thing, probably hit a combined .230/.240), but will also be considered a "black hole" on defense (a good thing as both are well above-average defensive shortstops).

What do you all think? lol.  Any other nicknames for players or positions (including this one) are welcomed.


Well, I guess "Murderer's Row" has already been taken.... tongue
Last year the black hole was the 7, 8, and 9 hitters.  It looks like Snider is going to be hitting 7th.  He has to do at least a little better than Barajas.  Sadly Snider and Tabata ae unlikely to hit the home runs Barajas and McKenry hit though...
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Posted: 03/21/2013 12:50 PM

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Last year the black hole was the 7, 8, and 9 hitters. It looks like Snider is going to be hitting 7th. He has to do at least a little better than Barajas. Sadly Snider and Tabata are unlikely to hit the home runs Barajas and McKenry hit though...


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 That's a fair point.  The Pirates' Terrible Twosome at catcher last season did manage to hit a more than respectable total of home runs, particularly when you consider where the game is headed in general (fewer runs scored) and at the catcher position in particular (even more emphasis on defense).  They didn't do much else, of course, but yes, their power was a definite plus.
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Posted: 03/21/2013 1:06 PM

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At what point during the season does Jay Bell get a shot?
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Posted: 03/21/2013 1:11 PM

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PANTHERFAN83 wrote: At what point during the season does Jay Bell get a shot?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  He might be younger than McDonald.  I need to see a birth certificate  biggrin
"I originally said he would get fired in mid-May after a poor start, but honestly, he might not make it to May at this rate." A 'professional' opinion of Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle 4/8/13
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Posted: 03/21/2013 1:19 PM

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Barmes and McDonald

"I originally said he would get fired in mid-May after a poor start, but honestly, he might not make it to May at this rate." A 'professional' opinion of Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle 4/8/13
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Posted: 03/21/2013 1:52 PM

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Actually Ghost, I think one of those guys is Jose Tabata.  biggrin

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Posted: 03/21/2013 2:34 PM

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GhostOfPBG wrote: Barmes and McDonald


Ha!!! Good, very good! biggrin
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Posted: 03/21/2013 3:49 PM

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gr1111 wrote: Actually Ghost, I think one of those guys is Jose Tabata.  biggrin
Wrong, your a generation off...
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Posted: 03/22/2013 6:54 AM

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Posted: 03/25/2013 11:43 AM

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How 'bout "Where's The Beef"?!?

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Posted: 03/25/2013 1:45 PM

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williamjpellas wrote: How 'bout "Where's The Beef"?!?




Isn't that Jose Tabata on the left? tongue

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Posted: 03/26/2013 6:16 AM

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Isn't that Jose Tabata on the left? tongue


Nah, it's Travis Snider, the noted foodie!  biggrin
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Posted: 03/26/2013 4:28 PM

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I read an interesting article recently about shortstops in general. It said that shortstops, basically, are just not very good. Stats seem to support that theory. In fact, the average shortstop only hits about .260. I looked it up and found that there was just one shortstop in all of MLB (Jeter) who hit .300 last year. And only one (Reyes) who had an OPS above .800. Barely half the teams in both leagues had a single shortstop who even played in 100 games or more at the position. In fact, there were something like 6 teams who didn't even have a single guy who played even half their team's games at that position.
Yeah, having a .230 hitting SS with 8 hr's like we have with Barmes isn't a good thing (that's well below average even for shortstops). But we are far from being alone in the weak shortstop catagory. The Reds have Cozart (.246 and .687 ops), the Cards have Kozma and the Brewers, Segura.
I just don't think our guy is going to lose the division for us any more than those other guys are going to win it for them.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 6:07 AM

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bucco66 wrote: I read an interesting article recently about shortstops in general. It said that shortstops, basically, are just not very good. Stats seem to support that theory. In fact, the average shortstop only hits about .260. I looked it up and found that there was just one shortstop in all of MLB (Jeter) who hit .300 last year. And only one (Reyes) who had an OPS above .800. Barely half the teams in both leagues had a single shortstop who even played in 100 games or more at the position. In fact, there were something like 6 teams who didn't even have a single guy who played even half their team's games at that position.
Yeah, having a .230 hitting SS with 8 hr's like we have with Barmes isn't a good thing (that's well below average even for shortstops). But we are far from being alone in the weak shortstop catagory. The Reds have Cozart (.246 and .687 ops), the Cards have Kozma and the Brewers, Segura.
I just don't think our guy is going to lose the division for us any more than those other guys are going to win it for them.
I don't know.  Those guys you mentioned are all very young still.  Add in guys like Andrus, Profar, Ian Desmond (.845 OPS last year), Asdrubal Cabrera, etc, it seems to me like we are seeing a big turnover at the shortstop position.  The old guard is moving on and the young guys are starting to move in.
"I originally said he would get fired in mid-May after a poor start, but honestly, he might not make it to May at this rate." A 'professional' opinion of Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle 4/8/13
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Posted: 03/27/2013 7:17 AM

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GhostOfPBG wrote:
bucco66 wrote: I read an interesting article recently about shortstops in general. It said that shortstops, basically, are just not very good. Stats seem to support that theory. In fact, the average shortstop only hits about .260. I looked it up and found that there was just one shortstop in all of MLB (Jeter) who hit .300 last year. And only one (Reyes) who had an OPS above .800. Barely half the teams in both leagues had a single shortstop who even played in 100 games or more at the position. In fact, there were something like 6 teams who didn't even have a single guy who played even half their team's games at that position.
Yeah, having a .230 hitting SS with 8 hr's like we have with Barmes isn't a good thing (that's well below average even for shortstops). But we are far from being alone in the weak shortstop catagory. The Reds have Cozart (.246 and .687 ops), the Cards have Kozma and the Brewers, Segura.
I just don't think our guy is going to lose the division for us any more than those other guys are going to win it for them.
I don't know.  Those guys you mentioned are all very young still.  Add in guys like Andrus, Profar, Ian Desmond (.845 OPS last year), Asdrubal Cabrera, etc, it seems to me like we are seeing a big turnover at the shortstop position.  The old guard is moving on and the young guys are starting to move in.



Except in Pittsburgh, where Barmes, McDonald, and Inge still rule the roost.  rolleyes  tongue

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