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Gregory Polanco

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Posted: 01/30/2013 10:13 AM

Gregory Polanco 


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Posted: 01/30/2013 11:13 AM

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He looks very raw still which is amazing when you consider how good his season was last year. He's listed as 6'4" and 170 and I have no idea how accurate the weight is but he does look pretty skinny in that video. When his body fills out it could add a lot more power. We're talking about a kid who just turned 21. The funny thing is the video doesn't show one of the best aspects of his game which is his defense. It's kind of scary to think about how good he could be. A potential outfield of Polanco, Marte and McCuctchen would be incredible. Then Bell and Barnes behind them. I've been saying for some time that they should move Bell to first base. He isn't a defensive liability by any means but he has plus power that will play at first base and we aren't lacking in outfielders.

I have a feeling guys like Snider and Sands were acquired for reclamation purposes. Turn them around for a year or two and then try and flip them for a big haul down the line. Both guys have 25 homer potential. It gives Polanco, Bell and Barnes plenty of time to develop and by the time they're ready Snider will still have service time that will keep him valuable.
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Posted: 01/30/2013 1:45 PM

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katoy2j wrote: He looks very raw still which is amazing when you consider how good his season was last year. He's listed as 6'4" and 170 and I have no idea how accurate the weight is but he does look pretty skinny in that video. When his body fills out it could add a lot more power. We're talking about a kid who just turned 21. The funny thing is the video doesn't show one of the best aspects of his game which is his defense. It's kind of scary to think about how good he could be. A potential outfield of Polanco, Marte and McCuctchen would be incredible. Then Bell and Barnes behind them. I've been saying for some time that they should move Bell to first base. He isn't a defensive liability by any means but he has plus power that will play at first base and we aren't lacking in outfielders.

I have a feeling guys like Snider and Sands were acquired for reclamation purposes. Turn them around for a year or two and then try and flip them for a big haul down the line. Both guys have 25 homer potential. It gives Polanco, Bell and Barnes plenty of time to develop and by the time they're ready Snider will still have service time that will keep him valuable.

Agree with all of this, especially the part about moving Bell to first base eventually.  Then, you can either hold on to Barnes to move into the lineup when we trade Cutch in 5 or so years or use him as trade bait.  A lot can happen between now and then but the prospect of possibly having 3 five tool guys roaming the outfield together in the future is pretty awesome, and even if Polanco were to fail for some reason, we have Bell and Barnes coming up right with him (plus Willy Garcia right behind them).  There is definitely no shortage of talent in the outfield in the Pirates minor league system.
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Posted: 01/30/2013 10:32 PM

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I have a feeling Barnes gets moved in the next year or two for an upgrade. I'm curious if they will skip West Virginia and put him right in Bradenton. If he does well there he's going to be an excellent trade chip. I could see something like Locke, Mercer and Barnes for Jed Lowrie happening if the Pirates are in contention at the deadline.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 8:24 AM

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katoy2j wrote: I have a feeling Barnes gets moved in the next year or two for an upgrade. I'm curious if they will skip West Virginia and put him right in Bradenton. If he does well there he's going to be an excellent trade chip. I could see something like Locke, Mercer and Barnes for Jed Lowrie happening if the Pirates are in contention at the deadline.

Yeah he would be my answer if I had to choose an outfielder that they will use as a trade chip.  I think they will move him straight to Bradenton to play in the outfield with Polanco and either Garcia (if he gets promoted) or Rojas (if he doesn't), and I think Bell will start the season back in West Virginia.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 11:45 AM

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katoy2j wrote: I have a feeling Barnes gets moved in the next year or two for an upgrade. I'm curious if they will skip West Virginia and put him right in Bradenton. If he does well there he's going to be an excellent trade chip. I could see something like Locke, Mercer and Barnes for Jed Lowrie happening if the Pirates are in contention at the deadline.
Jed Lowrie?  That's an upgrade?  Over who?  If Barnes turns out to be a really solid prospect, I'd like to think we could get better player in return that Jed Lowrie... especially if we're throwing in Locke and Mercer into the deal.  Lowrie will be 29 when the season starts and has never played 100 games nor reached 400 AB's in any season.  I must be missing something.  Can't be defense because I noticed his dWAR over 5 years is 1.1, and he got 1.0 his rookie season.  Can't be offense because his OPS is quite inconsistant.
#fringeprospect
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Posted: 01/31/2013 12:54 PM

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katoy2j wrote: I have a feeling Barnes gets moved in the next year or two for an upgrade. I'm curious if they will skip West Virginia and put him right in Bradenton. If he does well there he's going to be an excellent trade chip. I could see something like Locke, Mercer and Barnes for Jed Lowrie happening if the Pirates are in contention at the deadline.
Yes, he will start at Bradenton.  Yes, I think he could be the best trade chip.  Yes, I agree with the person directly above me, Jed Lowrie is by no means a good upgrade.  Maybe Asdrubal Cabrera or something.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 1:37 PM

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Jed Lowrie is good. Jed Lowrie just can't stay healthy. A .250/.326/.417 line is pretty good for a shortstop. His defense is average. Last year he was very good putting up a .769 OPS. If he hadn't gotten injured and had enough at bats to qualify only Ian Desmond, Derek Jeter and Jose Reyes would of had a higher OPS last season among qualified shortstops.

So offensively he was the 4th best offensive shortstop. Better than Peralta, Hardy, Andrus, Castro, Rollins and Asdrubal Cabrera.

I think people just have no idea the real life expectations of positional adjustment. Just because Andrew McCutchen puts up a .953 OPS doesn't mean that other positions can match that.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 7:28 AM

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katoy2j wrote: Jed Lowrie is good. Jed Lowrie just can't stay healthy. A .250/.326/.417 line is pretty good for a shortstop. His defense is average. Last year he was very good putting up a .769 OPS. If he hadn't gotten injured and had enough at bats to qualify only Ian Desmond, Derek Jeter and Jose Reyes would of had a higher OPS last season among qualified shortstops.

So offensively he was the 4th best offensive shortstop. Better than Peralta, Hardy, Andrus, Castro, Rollins and Asdrubal Cabrera.

I think people just have no idea the real life expectations of positional adjustment. Just because Andrew McCutchen puts up a .953 OPS doesn't mean that other positions can match that.
I didn't call out a specific OPS and say it was bad, I simply said he was inconsistent.  If he was consistently in the .700-.775 range, I'm fine with that... but .680 one year, .900 in another, thrown in a couple of .750's with a splash of a .500 isn't exactly what I'd call a model of consistency.  If injuries are the issue, then why would we want to give up a quality prospect for a guy we can't count on to stay healthy and produce?  If Barnes is enigmatic himself, then that'd be alright, but the prevailing assumption is that he'll progress through the system quite well.  I'd rather them go out and spend another $5M on a stop gap like Peralta than trade a prospect like Barnes for a question mark like Lowrie.
#fringeprospect
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