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BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I don't think Kubel gives you anymore than any of the guys we already have and he's 30. How can you not be a fan of Upton and like Kubel more? Upton is 24 with 2 MVP caliber seasons under his belt.
Posted: 01/11/2013 9:30 AM
Nice write up comparing the return Arizona was going to receive from Seattle and then using that return to get an idea of the Pirates equivalent return would be for Upton.
I would absolutely NOT do this deal for Upton. Too much to give up for him especially when in my opinion dominant top of the rotation Starting Pitchers are by far the most important position on a team and are the most expensive and risky to acquire in free agency.http://www.piratesprospects.co...he-pirates.html
Posted: 01/11/2013 10:21 AM
williamjpellas wrote: BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I don't think Kubel gives you anymore than any of the guys we already have and he's 30. How can you not be a fan of Upton and like Kubel more? Upton is 24 with 2 MVP caliber seasons under his belt.I like Kubel more because he has a more consistent track record than Upton, and because I've not heard that he is any kind of a pain in the neck as Upton might be---depending on whom you believe---and because Kubel's power is peaking, and because I am quite certain he is much better all by himself than any combination of players the Pirates are likely to run out in right field in 2013.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 12:03 PM
Upton is totally unrealistic. I am not sure why anyone is even wasting time debating him.
No way the Pirates are going to give up what Arizona wants. And if Seattle was on his no trade list, I would have to think the Pirates are as well.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 12:43 PM
Very true, but when you factor in the cost of obtaining each player, he might be a better value to the Pirates.Either way though, I would use the resources towards a Pitcher and not either Upton or Kubel's salary. Would rather use it on a starter who will give you 200 innings and hope Tabata or Snider come around.
katoy2j wrote: Yes in no way is Kubel half the player that Upton is.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 1:02 PM
BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I'm not for going after Upton, but Arizona has now done a couple of strange things. I think we should be looking for a steal from them. I also don't think Walker = Cole, but I think Franklin > Hanson, so you could offer Taillon + Hanson + (any number of combination of names). We don't match up well and I think 1 of Snider/Tabata/Sands/Presley will step out this year. So, no need for Upton, but I don't understand how anyone could say they like Kubel more than Upton. Upton may be a jerk, but a guy entering the season at 25 who has already been an MVP candidate twice, should be getting more of a return IMO. Yes, he's young, but paid like a vet because of breaking into the ML quickly, but his entire prime is still in front of him. You may be getting his best 3 years.
Posted: 01/11/2013 1:12 PM
Kubel struck out 151 times last year. He'd be perfect.
Posted: 01/11/2013 1:20 PM
williamjpellas wrote: Kubel hit 30 home runs in his first full season in the National League, and that after a serious ankle injury the year before. He can play for my team anytime.
Posted: 01/11/2013 7:35 PM
Sangue wrote:Kubel struck out 151 times last year. He'd be perfect.
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