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abitoutside wrote: Better than Cutch would be a stretch. Cutch put up a year last year that was MVP caliber and I see him as only getting better. Marte does have the tools to do it and if he can clear the stolen base hurdle that Cutch has not then he could be a more complete player. There is no logical reason why Cutch is not a consistent 30 SB guy.
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katoy2j wrote: I think McCutchen will become a better basestealer in time. Doing so would make him a better hitter as teams would be far less likely to give him a free pass if he can steal second and get into scoring position.
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williamjpellas wrote: katoy2j wrote: I think McCutchen will become a better basestealer in time. Doing so would make him a better hitter as teams would be far less likely to give him a free pass if he can steal second and get into scoring position.I quite agree with the second half of your statement, though I am surprised to hear you---as a hardcore sabremetrician---say it. Yes, absolutely, teams would be less likely to pitch around McCutchen and risk walking him if doing so meant you'd essentially be giving him a double more often than not. It is for reasons like this that I am such a big advocate of an all-around, multi-threat, versatile approach to offense in baseball. The more pressure you can put on the opposing team, and the more weapons you have with which to pressure them, the better. Small ball, home runs, stealing bases, whatever. Throw the kitchen sink at 'em, every single game. But I think McCutchen has had more than enough "time" to learn the craft of becoming a better basestealer. He now has three and a half seasons under his belt, and he is now a young veteran, and while he is just hitting his physical peak, he is getting worse at swiping bags, not better. If he were truly interested in mastering this part of the game, he would already have done so, or at least, he would be a lot further along. Like I said, I give up. Better to take the parts of his game that he does well---which is almost everything else except basestealing---and help him get even better at all of that, than to try and make him eat his vegetables. Some kids just won't do it no matter what, and that's all there is to it. Same with Andrew and stealing bases. Okay, let's move on from here.
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Posted: 01/10/2013 11:32 AM
williamjpellas wrote: In no way did I "(make) this a character issue". I never said that or meant it to be implied or inferred from what I did say. I would say, however, that there is more than "blown calls" to a player of McCutchen's youth and exceptional physical gifts getting worse at stealing bases and not better. Andrew McCutchen is a very good all around major league baseball player. That is obvious. He is also not very good at stealing bases considering his youth and raw footspeed. That is also obvious. He still succeeds in stealing some bases, sure. But his percentage last season was just over 60%, 20 out of 32. That is mediocre at best. His career mark of 72% is not terrible, certainly, but again, he's trending in the wrong direction, not only in terms of his percentage but also in terms of raw number of steals. Given that there is no information of which I am aware or that is otherwise available in the public realm that indicates he is any kind of "problem" in the clubhouse or insubordinate or a prima donna---any of which would be a character issue---well, then: I conclude that he is simply not particularly interested in stealing bases. Just not his thing, or something that he is particularly interested in or motivated to improve. Okay, whatever. Let's take what he does do well---which is almost everything else---and help him get even better at those aspects of the game and stop waiting and hoping for him to do something that he evidently doesn't really want to do in the first place. That is all I am saying here.
Posted: 01/10/2013 12:13 PM
I wouldn't call it a character issue. You were a collegiate football player, BAM, so maybe this analogy will help. Let's say that there was a fullback on your team who was really, REALLY good at carrying the ball on handoffs and who was also a good blocker. The coaching staff looks at him and says, wow, he's all-conference already just by being good at running and blocking---what if we could use him as a pass-catcher, as well? But, after two offseason training camps and numerous attempts to use him as a pass-catcher in games, guess what? He's not only not getting better at catching the ball, he's getting worse, and for whatever unknown reason, he just doesn't seem to really be totally invested in getting better at that one skill. Okay, what now? Do you 1) insist that he and the team continue to invest time, energy, and resources into "forcing" him to catch passes, or do you 2) take what he is already really good at, and build from there, and get a scatback to be the pass-catcher? I would say that in most cases, you'd choose the second option. I know I would.
Not everything is perfectly explainable or reducible to one's and zeroe's. Some things are a mystery, and baseball is full of them. Why does a four-A player like Buddy Biancalana get to play in a World Series, but all-time great Ernie Banks never makes it? Why is a merely faster-than-average Nate McLouth an elite basestealer in terms of percentage (before his legs gave out, that is), but much faster Andrew McCutchen is not nearly as good? Some of it is technique. Some of it is motivation. Some of it is that some guys "just have a knack" or perhaps some sort of possibly innate skill at this or that aspect of the game. Some of it is a mystery.
Again, let me be perfectly clear: I am not saying that this is a character issue on Andrew's part. If I were saying that, I would say it directly and clearly and I would stand behind what I said.
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Last edited 01/15/2013 12:32 PM by Sangue
Posted: 01/15/2013 1:39 PM
Sangue wrote: Marte has a shot at 20-20 in 2013. The homers will be tougher for him than the stolen bases. I'd guess 17 HRs, 28 SB, with a batting average in the .250-.260 range, then he will improve on those numbers in 2014.I don't think he'll ever match Eric Davis SB numbers (80 high in '86). 37 HR in '87 won't be easy to match either - but Marte will be exciting for years to come. His arm will likely become legendary.Davis pretty much broke down at age 29. His 1998 (age 36) year was likely enhanced by some now illegal substance.
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