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Liriano injures himself -- deal now on hold

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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:12 PM

Liriano injures himself -- deal now on hold 


In today's P-G:

Left-handed free agent Francisco Liriano, who was close to signing a contract with the Pirates, injured his right arm recently, halting the process of making the signing official.

It was not immediately clear how Liriano hurt his arm.

The Pirates will continue to talk to Liriano's agents, but a deal does not appear to be close at hand.

Liriano and the Pirates were close to agreeing to a two-year contract worth slightly less than $13 million in late December, but Liriano had not yet taken a physical.



http://www.post-gazette.com/st...on-hold-669519/

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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:19 PM

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Okay....his RIGHT arm, and not his LEFT, his pitching arm....right?
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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:19 PM

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Doesn't sound very serious to me considering he is a left handed pitcher. Unless he writes with his right hand.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:24 PM

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This is hilarious. I hope the contract ends up not happening...because wouldn't it just be so Pirates for them to deal their $7 million closer in order to clear room for a pitcher who they end up not signing?

Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:37 PM

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williamjpellas wrote: Okay....his RIGHT arm, and not his LEFT, his pitching arm....right?


That's how I read it, william.

While there should be no reason to consider this a serious issue, it has now been a couple of weeks without a physical and/or a signed contract.  Who knows if there is more to the story, or what that "more" might be (if anything).

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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:37 PM

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I am not a Liriano fan and thought all along that the Pirates were spending too much money on him.  I would much rather have seen Dan Haren or one or two other guys in black and gold if they wanted to take a chance on a bounceback veteran.  From here, I'd be perfectly alright with them putting Justin Wilson in the rotation until CHAЯLY presumably makes it back around midseason.  If Wilson is stinking he can always go back to Triple A---either before or after CHAЯLY returns---and in the meantime there's also McPherson and Locke.  I am not a believer in Locke and much prefer Wilson and McPherson, in that order, but the point is that it's not remotely the end of the world or of the season if Liriano doesn't land in Pittsburgh.  


PS I have no way of knowing this for sure, but I think I smell a rat.  First he takes forever to show up for his physical.  Now, all of a sudden, he's "injured", but, conveniently and so that it doesn't hurt his negotiating ability with other potential employers, doncha know it's his non-pitching arm and there's no specifics.  Sounds to me like he just doesn't want to come to Pittsburgh and is looking for a way out.  Granted, that would take some intestinal fortitude, as he would be leaving millions on the table, but he's already made millions and by virtue of being lefthanded, somebody else will surely throw some money at him.  So he might lose some money, but he won't lose all of it.  Color me distinctly suspicious here.

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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:38 PM

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It would be more Pirates for them to sign him and find out he is injured for the season before the season begins.  Thats how the curse of ____(Bonds? I forget who started the curse thread) works.  As for dealing the closer,  he should have been delt a year ago.  This team's strength is build on finding blue chipper relief arms.  It's one of the few good things they do.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:44 PM

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I'm guessing this is more of a fact that Liriano was hurt well before the deal was agreed upon and perhaps his delay was simply so he could give himself more time to heal before he has to take a physical. I can't see it being overly serious unless it's some kind of nerve damage. Even a broken hand should be fine by spring training.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:45 PM

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Here's the Trib's version of the story.  Not much difference.

BRADENTON, Fla. -- The Pirates‘ plans to sign free-agent left-hander Francisco Liriano are on hold after the pitcher injured his right (non-throwing) arm sometime around Christmas.

Citing medical privacy laws, Pirates general manager Neal Huntington declined to reveal the nature or extent of Liriano‘s injury.

“We continue to have dialogue with Francisco‘s (agent), but there is nothing to announce at this time,” Huntington said.

On Dec. 21, the Pirates and Liriano were close to finalizing a two-year, $12.75 million contract. The deal was pending the completion of a physical exam.

Liriano, 29, pitched last year for the Minnesota Twins and Chicago White Sox. He has a fastball that touches 95 mph, but also has put up a plus-5.00 ERA and averaged five walks per nine innings each of the past two seasons.

The Pirates wanted Liriano to fill the No. 3 spot in their starting rotation, behind veterans A.J. Burnett and Wandy Rodriguez.


http://triblive.com/sports/pir...t#axzz2HQH6qlFX

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Posted: 01/08/2013 1:46 PM

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katoy2j wrote: I'm guessing this is more of a fact that Liriano was hurt well before the deal was agreed upon and perhaps his delay was simply so he could give himself more time to heal before he has to take a physical. I can't see it being overly serious unless it's some kind of nerve damage. Even a broken hand should be fine by spring training.


According to Huntington, the injury came around Christmas time (after the announced signing).

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Posted: 01/08/2013 2:24 PM

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With it being January already I wonder if they could get Shawn Marcum to agree to the same contract.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 2:51 PM

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Would not be surprised if they had the deal in front of both Marcum and Loriano and Loriano signed first.
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With it being January already I wonder if they could get Shawn Marcum to agree to the same contract.

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Posted: 01/08/2013 3:15 PM

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Francisco Liriano

Bucs deal with Liriano on hold

The Pittsburgh Pirates deal with left-handed pitcher Francisco Liriano is in jeopardy. The deal for $12.75 million over two years for the free agent left-hander was reached back on December 21, but hasn't been finalized because Liriano hurt his right arm in December. Full Story | Discuss

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Posted: 01/08/2013 5:07 PM

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pipersfan wrote:
Francisco Liriano

Bucs deal with Liriano on hold

The Pittsburgh Pirates deal with left-handed pitcher Francisco Liriano is in jeopardy. The deal for $12.75 million over two years for the free agent left-hander was reached back on December 21, but hasn't been finalized because Liriano hurt his right arm in December. Full Story | Discuss

I'd cancel the deal if Liriano does not show up for the physical by week's end.  He's had more than enough time.  It must be pretty bad if he's waiting for it to heal.  For a 12.75 million investment, I'd want to know what I'm dealing with.

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Posted: 01/08/2013 6:33 PM

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Sounds a little like Pap Shmeares when we singned him to an inexplicable 4-5 year deal even though we knew his hand was broken.
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pipersfan wrote:
Francisco Liriano

Bucs deal with Liriano on hold

The Pittsburgh Pirates deal with left-handed pitcher Francisco Liriano is in jeopardy. The deal for $12.75 million over two years for the free agent left-hander was reached back on December 21, but hasn't been finalized because Liriano hurt his right arm in December. Full Story | Discuss

I'd cancel the deal if Liriano does not show up for the physical by week's end.  He's had more than enough time.  It must be pretty bad if he's waiting for it to heal.  For a 12.75 million investment, I'd want to know what I'm dealing with.

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Posted: 01/08/2013 6:46 PM

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This just seems so weird to me. How bad could the injury be especially to a non throwing hand. Short of chopping off the hand what can possibly not be healed in a couple of months time.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 7:04 PM

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katoy2j wrote: This just seems so weird to me. How bad could the injury be especially to a non throwing hand. Short of chopping off the hand what can possibly not be healed in a couple of months time.

I suppose one could argue that pitching mechanics can be thrown off by the least little thing, and that therefore even an injury to one's off hand could, if you blink and squint real hard, be some cause for concern.  I'm one who takes a dim view of the idea that pitchers should be mollycoddled, and in any case, it's hard to believe the official story that's been released for public consumption here.  Again, it's difficult for me to escape the conclusion that Liriano, or his agent, or both, have had second thoughts and just don't want to be in Pittsburgh, and they think this is the best ploy they can come up with to weasel out of the situation.  While I freely confess that that is speculation and that I have nothing in the way of evidence to back that conclusion, it does fit the parameters of the situation that have come to light thus far.  I'd rather not be that cynical.  But something definitely stinks here.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 7:24 PM

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I will probably have an unpopular opinion, but I don't like Liriano much at that price. I beat his drum earlier, I know, but I thought he could be had for peanuts by comparison. He does have the stuff to be electric, but he has the same problems Justin Wilson has and I find it hard to believe he's 6.25MM better. He was still a 2 WAR player last season, so there's that. I don't know, not the end of the world.
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Posted: 01/09/2013 5:57 AM

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BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I will probably have an unpopular opinion, but I don't like Liriano much at that price. I beat his drum earlier, I know, but I thought he could be had for peanuts by comparison. He does have the stuff to be electric, but he has the same problems Justin Wilson has and I find it hard to believe he's 6.25MM better. He was still a 2 WAR player last season, so there's that. I don't know, not the end of the world.
I was ok with a healthy Liriano, but given the shenanigans of the non physical its time to move on.
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Posted: 01/09/2013 6:42 AM

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Swidgin wrote: This is hilarious. I hope the contract ends up not happening...because wouldn't it just be so Pirates for them to deal their $7 million closer in order to clear room for a pitcher who they end up not signing?

Right.  Because as Pirates fans, we should hope for the worst. 

I understand disagreeing with certain moves by the front office, but you hope something that could help the team doesn't happen?
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