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Francisco Liriano Signs With Pirates: 2 Years, $14 Million

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:13 AM

Francisco Liriano Signs With Pirates: 2 Years, $14 Million 


Loved this guy when he first came up with the Twins.  2 years, $14 million was likely the high bid for a 2013 5.34 ERA

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I would have rather signed Brandon McCarthy (got 2 years, 15.5 million from Diamondbacks), but this is somewhat exciting.

I guess Karstens is gone for good.

Last edited 12/21/2012 8:18 AM by Sangue

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:22 AM

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On the one hand, Liriano is a good risk as a bounceback candidate.  On the other hand, he will make a lot of money for "a bounceback candidate".  I think this was an overpay.  Hopefully he makes it back to, say, 75% of what he was.  If he can do that, and take the ball for 350 innings over the next two years, I guess we'll take it.  Still a lot of money, though.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:51 AM

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In today's market, I like the years and dollars. It will not cripple the franchise if is arm falls off and he has shown in the past he can be dominate. It should also help him because he is switching leagues and will get to face some softer lineups.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:56 AM

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Expensive for Liriano but we likely had to overpay and add a 2nd year to convince him to sign.  Hopefully this works.

Burnett
Rodriguez
MacDonald
Liriano
Locke/Morton/Oliver/?

That has the potential to be a good rotation.  Especially when Cole comes up late in the season.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:56 AM

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Man, we got a veteran staff now.  Hopefully Russell Martin can get the most out of them.
"I originally said he would get fired in mid-May after a poor start, but honestly, he might not make it to May at this rate." A 'professional' opinion of Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle 4/8/13
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:58 AM

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SteelRun wrote: Expensive for Liriano but we likely had to overpay and add a 2nd year to convince him to sign.  Hopefully this works.

Burnett
Rodriguez
MacDonald
Liriano
Locke/Morton/Oliver/?

That has the potential to be a good rotation.  Especially when Cole comes up late in the season.
I really hope they give him a legitimate chance to win the 5th spot in spring training.  If he comes out like a house on fire and is looking dominant, why not?
"I originally said he would get fired in mid-May after a poor start, but honestly, he might not make it to May at this rate." A 'professional' opinion of Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle 4/8/13
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:59 AM

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williamjpellas wrote: On the one hand, Liriano is a good risk as a bounceback candidate.  On the other hand, he will make a lot of money for "a bounceback candidate".  I think this was an overpay.  Hopefully he makes it back to, say, 75% of what he was.  If he can do that, and take the ball for 350 innings over the next two years, I guess we'll take it.  Still a lot of money, though.

Again, not to beat a dead horse... this is why I think the trades at the deadline were stupid.   BRING UP THE KIDS!!!  Huntington went out and traded for Qualls and pissed away a roster spot.  We have minor leaguers for a reason!!!  BRING THEM UP!!!  Had they brought up Locke, McPherson, or whoever, you'd have had a chance to see them pitch for 2 months or more instead of spot duty here and there for 1 month.  A signing like this possibly wouldn't have been necessary.  At the very least, it would have reduced the interest in Liriano and probably the cost.
#fringeprospect
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:31 AM

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I think McPherson grabs the 5th spot if he is healthy. He looked pretty good in spot duty in the final month or so.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:32 AM

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Sangue wrote: Loved this guy when he first came up with the Twins.  2 years, $14 million was likely the high bid for a 2013 5.34 ERA

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...medium=facebook

I would have rather signed Brandon McCarthy (got 2 years, 15.5 million from Diamondbacks), but this is somewhat exciting.

I guess Karstens is gone for good.
Didn't he come up with the Giants?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:42 AM

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enchinga wrote:

Didn't he come up with the Giants?
He came up with the Twins and was an absolute stud in 2006.

http://www.baseball-reference....liriafr01.shtml
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:47 AM

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I don't really understand the tendering of Charlie Morton now that they have signed Liriano.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:57 AM

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You can never have enough starting pitching, in my opinion.  Maybe someone becomes trade bait if Morton comes back strong mid-summer and Cole is mowing people down in Indy. 
Sangue wrote: I don't really understand the tendering of Charlie Morton now that they have signed Liriano.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:59 AM

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He made his major league debut with the Twins. He was traded from the Giants though.

I'm on the fence about this move really. I don't like that it's a two year deal. I would of been a lot happier if it was one year or one year with a team option. If he doesn't bounce back you're stuck with him for 2014. On the other hand if he does pitch to where his talent level is which is about Edwin Jackson, then you got him for half price. Jackson AAV - 13 million, Liriano AAV - 7.

I would of preferred Capuano as I think he's a safer bet. PNC, the switch to the NL and the Pirates defense will help Liriano a lot. However none of that will matter if he doesn't get his walks under control.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:04 AM

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Yeah. It's true. It's never been a bad thing to have too many pitchers. McPherson and Locke will battle for the fifth spot.

Morton and Cole will both be added in the summertime. At that point you'll have 8 possible starters on the roster. If McPherson pitches well the first half of the year he could be a centerpiece for an impact bat at the trade deadline since he would be much more established at that time.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:17 AM

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Posted: 12/21/2012 4:19 PM

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So where does the team go from here?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:39 PM

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Do you think Barmes can bounce back at his age from a bad season? If no, then shortstop.

Otherwise strengthening the bench or bullpen should be the prioruty, imo.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 7:34 PM

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rather spent a tadbit more for Lohse on a 3 yr deal. Not sure if I like it  ,but if he has good balance and strikes out a bunch in which he can. It could turn out to be a Burnett like triumph. Rather see Hanrahan get a SP then to see Morton pitch and Oliver can hit the strike zone. I too wasnt saying Hanrahan is an SP, but would be neat for a team to try a closer like Texas did w/ Felix.

Pirates will get over the 500 hump. But a trade for Castro at SS would be the coolest.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:45 PM

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I too wasnt saying Hanrahan is an SP, but would be neat for a team to try a closer like Texas did w/ Felix.


I assume you mean Neftali Feliz, who was a perfectly good closer until the Rangers decided, in their wisdom, to move him to the rotation.  His arm promptly fell off.  He had to undergo Tommy John surgery after just 7 starts.  
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Posted: 12/22/2012 2:04 AM

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yes me typing finger couldnt reach the "Z"
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