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Emilio Bonafacio ?

Posted: 11/18/2012 7:22 AM

Emilio Bonafacio ? 


With trade of Bonafacio to Blue Jays and recent signing of Macir Iztaruis to ten million $$ contract do you think the Buccos could get him to play SS and leadoff ? Could he play SS on regular basis ? Speed and ability to get on base would make him a GREAT addition to Buccos. Whatcha think ?
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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:44 AM

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Bonifacio is an intriguing idea.  My only question with him is whether his 2011 season was a fluke.  In 2011 he batted just under .300, his OPS was a little over .750, and he stole 40 bases.  You betcher bippy I'd take that from my starting shortstop.  Anything close to those figures and we're in business.  Unfortunately Bonifacio has really never come close to his 2011 season in any other year, and he's only had one other full season to date.  


That said, he is 27, and he surely won't cost much coming off a 2012 season in which he got about 200 at bats and didn't do much with them.  In addition, with Izturis signed, it may be another signal that the Jays view Bonifacio as a utilityman---in which case, again, he can't possibly cost much to acquire.  At minimum, he'd be great insurance for both Barmes and Walker for 2013, and if he shows anything at all, he's your starting shortstop for at least the next couple of seasons, ie, until Hanson arrives from the minors, assuming Hanson himself doesn't switch positions (which I think is very likely, actually).

 

I like it.  I would definitely bring him here.  

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Posted: 11/18/2012 2:51 PM

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He isn't a full time option at shortstop. Backup to play 10 or 15 games a year possibly but that's about it. Bonifacio will likely be the full-time starter at second base and Izturis will move around the infield. Bonifacio will also play some outfield and Izturis will play second to get both players more at bats. I think the team plans to limit the at bats that Colby Rasmus gets against lefties so Bonifacio will play outfield in those games. The Jays look to be going with a rotating platoon and it doesn't look like Lind and Rasmus will play against lefties. In those situations then the team will have Izturis and Rajai Davis in the lineup as well as Bonifacio with Encarnacion playing first base. So against lefties they will have Jose Reyes, Emilio Bonifacio and Rajai Davis in the batting order which will be scary from a stolen base perspective. It's one of the reasons I can't see the Red Sox or Yankees signing Mike Napoli as a primary catcher considering they would play so many games against the Jays with an unbalanced schedule.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:54 PM

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Okay, I know I'll regret it, but "why" isn't Bonifacio an option as a full time shortstop?
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:07 PM

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He hasn't played there much. 60 or so games in 2011 and none last season. He looks a bit too thick to move well. Over his career he's played more games in the OF.

www.baseball-reference.com/pla...bonifem01.shtml
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:54 PM

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BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: He hasn't played there much. 60 or so games in 2011 and none last season. He looks a bit too thick to move well. Over his career he's played more games in the OF.

www.baseball-reference.com/pla...bonifem01.shtml

He is stocky, that's for sure.  I was thinking, though, that he's still young enough---and, obviously, more than fast enough---to be able to play shortstop for some time to come.  In other words I don't see him blowing out his hamstrings every other day like our own fire hydrant guy, Jose Tabata.  In any case there are not many realistic options out there for replacing Clint Barmes after (or maybe even during?) the coming season.  Particularly given the current state of affairs, I would be in favor of giving Bonifacio or a similar player a long look at shortstop.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 5:31 PM

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Just because you're fast doesn't mean you can play shortstop.

When Bonifacio plays shortstop he isn't very good at it. He's a guy that has no power and slightly below average hitting skills. He is a poor defender. He's a great basestealer but that is about it. I don't see him as an improvement over Barmes when you take the total skillset involved. Sure he'll hit for a little more average than Barmes and steal some bases but you lose a lot of defense.

In order to move on from Barmes you need either another very good defender or a guy who is a downgrade on defense but has a massive offensive upside to make the move worthwhile.

I think the team should just give Mercer an extended look sometime this year for the 2014 season. He will likely never be an all-star but I don't think you need to have all-stars everywhere either. Worrying about upgrading our 8th hitter in the lineup is really a foolish idea. When Barmes' contract expires you probably go with Mercer who looks like a fine defensive player. Having a shortstop that plays defense is more than enough.

Here is what the last few shortstops on World Series winning teams have done in the regular season

2012 - Brandon Crawford - .248/.304/.349
2011 - Rafael Furcal - .231/.298/.348
2010 - Juan Uribe - .248/.310/.440
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Posted: 11/18/2012 5:44 PM

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That list is a little bit misleading.  Furcal, at first glance the weakest of a weak lot, was in reality a far better player than the other two guys.  He was hurt for most of 2011 and otherwise past his prime.  Uribe likewise had some sock in his bat for most of his career---as his .750 OPS even in 2010 attests.  Crawford is most similar to Barmes; he's just a younger version, really.  


Still, I get your point.  You don't have to have a worldbeater at every position.  My take on Mercer is that he is likely a good enough utilityman, but a below average starter.  I guess we won't know for sure unless he gets 300 at bats or so.  Which he is not going to get as long as Hurdle is in charge.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:07 PM

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If a player is batting 8th in your lineup then chances are he will be below average for his position on offense. If that player is good on defense in a defense first position then you happily take that. It's the main reason why most 8th hitters in the NL and 9th hitters in the AL are catchers or shortstops.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:35 PM

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katoy2j wrote: If a player is batting 8th in your lineup then chances are he will be below average for his position on offense. If that player is good on defense in a defense first position then you happily take that. It's the main reason why most 8th hitters in the NL and 9th hitters in the AL are catchers or shortstops.


True enough, but the inverse is also true: given that most catchers and shortstops are poor hitters, if you happen to employ one (or more than one) who are better than most of their peers, you have a significant advantage.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:25 PM

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Is it worth the cost though?

Most of the time the extra offense you get is negated by the loss of defense. You also pay a lot more in salary for an offensive shortstop than you do a defensive one.

Hanley Ramirez hit 24 homers, 92 RBI and had 21 stolen bases and had a .759 OPS. He was worth 1.1 WAR because of his poor defense. He made 15 million dollars

Clint Barmes can't touch those offensive numbers and had a .593 OPS. However because he was such an elite defender he was worth 1.2 WAR. He made 5 million dollars.

In a perfect World it would be great to have a Troy Tulowitzki at shortstop. The reality of the situation is that there is only one player like him. One shortstop in all of baseball had a .800+ OPS last year.

2012 was a down year for Barmes. If you go by percentages and probability he should be significantly better in 2013. Every indicator points to that. He trended upwards for the most part as the season went on.

You can pay for defense or you can pay for offense really. Defense is what is currently underrated as it goes for half the price of offense. At a position like shortstop which is so vital on defense it's pretty much essential for teams like the Pirates to go defense over offense. It's cheaper, more efficient and the benefit of having a great defensive shortstop impacts the entire pitching staff more so than any other position.

Shortstops gravitated to an offensive position in the late 90's and the 2000's. Offense was huge because you ha shortstops hitting 40 homers. Those days are done for awhile.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 11:51 AM

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I don't know what happened to Ramirez. Big body, playing too demanding of a defensive position for too long? Probably what's happening to Tulo? Hanley wasn't always a poor defender. He was average in his younger days. Cal Ripken Jr. was a bigger guy too. Amazing that he played the same position, was great offensively and defensively for the better part of 20 years, and is the "Iron Man" of baseball. Rare talent.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 11:53 AM

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Ramirez's body probably filled out too much. Hitting the weights has a price for range and flexibility.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:52 PM

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BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I don't know what happened to Ramirez. Big body, playing too demanding of a defensive position for too long? Probably what's happening to Tulo? Hanley wasn't always a poor defender. He was average in his younger days. Cal Ripken Jr. was a bigger guy too. Amazing that he played the same position, was great offensively and defensively for the better part of 20 years, and is the "Iron Man" of baseball. Rare talent.


Making a ton of money and then acting like he doesn't give a d*** probably has something to do with it.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:00 PM

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BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I don't know what happened to Ramirez. Big body, playing too demanding of a defensive position for too long? Probably what's happening to Tulo? Hanley wasn't always a poor defender. He was average in his younger days. Cal Ripken Jr. was a bigger guy too. Amazing that he played the same position, was great offensively and defensively for the better part of 20 years, and is the "Iron Man" of baseball. Rare talent.


Ripken adhered to a very rigorous, carefully crafted fitness routine that was optimized for baseball.  He didn't do a great deal in terms of body building types of exercises.  Rather, most of what he did was geared toward flexibility and stamina.  If I remember correctly, he didn't do much that would be considered cutting edge or outside the box; his exercises included a lot of stretching and cardio and he played a lot of basketball in the offseason, and other than that, he did a lot of baseball movement-specific drills.  I would be curious to know if there are any major leaguers around today who adhere to most or all of his training program.  My guess would be no, since it probably wasn't anything "sexy".  Even so, sometimes the old ways are best, if they are done correctly.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 5:25 PM

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williamjpellas wrote:
BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I don't know what happened to Ramirez. Big body, playing too demanding of a defensive position for too long? Probably what's happening to Tulo? Hanley wasn't always a poor defender. He was average in his younger days. Cal Ripken Jr. was a bigger guy too. Amazing that he played the same position, was great offensively and defensively for the better part of 20 years, and is the "Iron Man" of baseball. Rare talent.


Ripken adhered to a very rigorous, carefully crafted fitness routine that was optimized for baseball.  He didn't do a great deal in terms of body building types of exercises.  Rather, most of what he did was geared toward flexibility and stamina.  If I remember correctly, he didn't do much that would be considered cutting edge or outside the box; his exercises included a lot of stretching and cardio and he played a lot of basketball in the offseason, and other than that, he did a lot of baseball movement-specific drills.  I would be curious to know if there are any major leaguers around today who adhere to most or all of his training program.  My guess would be no, since it probably wasn't anything "sexy".  Even so, sometimes the old ways are best, if they are done correctly.
I'm sure that had a lot to do with it.  Not everybody is the same.  It's also genetic disposition, mental fortitude, and insane pot luck.  How easy is it, playing SS, to step on the bag awkwardly, or get kicked by a DP break up slide, or the hundreds of other possible fluke injuries he avoided over the course of 20 years.
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