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20 injured in Pittsburgh-area high school STABBINGS

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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:53 AM

20 injured in Pittsburgh-area high school STABBINGS 


Uh oh.  No guns involved.  What are we going to do now?  disbelief
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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:54 AM

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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:18 AM

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my goodness, do you mean people who do not abide by the law hurt innocent people without the use of guns?

that can't be.

I wonder what would have happened if a law abiding citizen with a gun were able to protect those people.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:23 AM

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skopko wrote: my goodness, do you mean people who do not abide by the law hurt innocent people without the use of guns?

that can't be.

I wonder what would have happened if a law abiding citizen with a gun were able to protect those people.

Better yet, what if we banned guns??  I wonder if criminals would figure out knives are an effective weapon too?  Liberals love to point out that we no longer live in the Wild Wild West days.  We kinda do.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:04 PM

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Yeah, if only some other 15 year olds had guns at school, or several teachers. That would have made the situation much better.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:49 PM

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I think I'm stating the obvious when I say we need to implement knife control laws.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:10 PM

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dcmets wrote: Yeah, if only some other 15 year olds had guns at school, or several teachers. That would have made the situation much better.
Ultimately, parents are going to have to start teaching their kids right from wrong or the responsible parents are just going to take their kids out of the public school system altogether and the Dept of Education will cease to exist.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:13 PM

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minkusdominkus wrote: I think I'm stating the obvious when I say we need to implement knife control laws.

In all seriousness, the problem has never been the guns.  It's been lazy parenting and irresponsible adults.  If everybody were responsible (perish the thought, right?), there would be zero mass shootings.  Once people figure that out, the children dying will end.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:06 PM

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The odds of 7 billion people all being 100% responsible enough to not kill another person are so small it's not worth discussing.

What I'm saying is it's pretty much a mathematical certainty one of the 7 billion ultra complex computers known as the human brain will justify things like this as being okay.

There is very little to do about it, if you wanted to be as pedantic as possible and literally ban all knives from being manufactured and sold and even kept at home, let's say we actually did this, people can still walk outside and chisel a rock to form a very sharp object.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:40 PM

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FIFAstar79 wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: I think I'm stating the obvious when I say we need to implement knife control laws.

In all seriousness, the problem has never been the guns.  It's been lazy parenting and irresponsible adults.  If everybody were responsible (perish the thought, right?), there would be zero mass shootings.  Once people figure that out, the children dying will end.
You can't just blame parents for everything.  Sometimes a parent can do the absolute best job possible, but their kid has a screw loose and ends up a murderer.  DG is right that no matter what we do, there will be killers out there, period.  You play the odds and hope for the best, not much you can do beyond that.  Getting your kid to school in a car is far more dangerous than your kid actually being in the school (I guess depending on your neighborhood).

I'm against increased gun control.  I think there is a limit to what kind of weapon is necessary for "self protection" or for hunting, but I think your average person should be able to own and acquire guns.  But I also am not naive enough to think more guns are the answer, either.

Truth is, there is no answer.  Some people are screwed up.  Some people are murderers.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:29 PM

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dgLuvsTheMets wrote: The odds of 7 billion people all being 100% responsible enough to not kill another person are so small it's not worth discussing.

Yep, but the reality is a lot of this starts at home.  Sure, it will never be perfect, but there was a time when this sort of thing was unheard of.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:36 PM

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minkusdominkus wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: I think I'm stating the obvious when I say we need to implement knife control laws.

In all seriousness, the problem has never been the guns.  It's been lazy parenting and irresponsible adults.  If everybody were responsible (perish the thought, right?), there would be zero mass shootings.  Once people figure that out, the children dying will end.
You can't just blame parents for everything.  Sometimes a parent can do the absolute best job possible, but their kid has a screw loose and ends up a murderer.  DG is right that no matter what we do, there will be killers out there, period.  You play the odds and hope for the best, not much you can do beyond that.  Getting your kid to school in a car is far more dangerous than your kid actually being in the school (I guess depending on your neighborhood).

I'm against increased gun control.  I think there is a limit to what kind of weapon is necessary for "self protection" or for hunting, but I think your average person should be able to own and acquire guns.  But I also am not naive enough to think more guns are the answer, either.

Truth is, there is no answer.  Some people are screwed up.  Some people are murderers.

There's an answer.  It's not "ah, eff it.  People are going to do crazy things, so let's not bother to address the issue."   That is not the answer, I can assure you.  Regardless of what you may think, there was a time when there was more accountability in the home.  This magically coincided with a time there was little to no mass school violence.  Most murders today are teens and very young adults.  Most of these victims and perps come from broken homes.  I never said it would stop 100% of the violence.  To act as though it doesn't matter, that ish is going to happen regardless, just goes to prove my point.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:53 PM

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As a society, it's almost like we've said "it's easier to ignore this.. let's just brush it off on the gun-owners. Asking for parenting and accountability is just too unrealistic". LOL
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:22 PM

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FIFAstar79 wrote: As a society, it's almost like we've said "it's easier to ignore this.. let's just brush it off on the gun-owners. Asking for parenting and accountability is just too unrealistic". LOL
You are right.  The issue is accountability in the home and bad parenting.

How do you suggest we remedy this problem?
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Posted: 4/10/2014 8:39 AM

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minkusdominkus wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote: As a society, it's almost like we've said "it's easier to ignore this.. let's just brush it off on the gun-owners. Asking for parenting and accountability is just too unrealistic". LOL
You are right.  The issue is accountability in the home and bad parenting.

How do you suggest we remedy this problem?

As a society and a culture, we have to embrace personal responsibility and reward it.  We have to punish irresponsibility.  Unfortunately, in many circles, the opposite is true today.  Politicians aren't helpful either.  No matter which side they are on, rare is it they talk about personal accountability on the campaign trail.  We need better leadership, but the leaders can only do so much.  The society has to embrace personal accountability.  Right now, most run from it.

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Posted: 4/10/2014 8:47 AM

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FIFAstar79 wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote: As a society, it's almost like we've said "it's easier to ignore this.. let's just brush it off on the gun-owners. Asking for parenting and accountability is just too unrealistic". LOL
You are right.  The issue is accountability in the home and bad parenting.

How do you suggest we remedy this problem?

As a society and a culture, we have to embrace personal responsibility and reward it.  We have to punish irresponsibility.  Unfortunately, in many circles, the opposite is true today.  Politicians aren't helpful either.  No matter which side they are on, rare is it they talk about personal accountability on the campaign trail.  We need better leadership, but the leaders can only do so much.  The society has to embrace personal accountability.  Right now, most run from it.
And how do you suggest we remedy this problem?

Do you really think politicians on the campaign trail are going to change the way parents raise their kids?  If some of the parents are the problem, they are probably the ones that wouldnt listen to a politician regardless.

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Posted: 4/10/2014 9:02 AM

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minkusdominkus wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote: As a society, it's almost like we've said "it's easier to ignore this.. let's just brush it off on the gun-owners. Asking for parenting and accountability is just too unrealistic". LOL
You are right.  The issue is accountability in the home and bad parenting.

How do you suggest we remedy this problem?

As a society and a culture, we have to embrace personal responsibility and reward it.  We have to punish irresponsibility.  Unfortunately, in many circles, the opposite is true today.  Politicians aren't helpful either.  No matter which side they are on, rare is it they talk about personal accountability on the campaign trail.  We need better leadership, but the leaders can only do so much.  The society has to embrace personal accountability.  Right now, most run from it.
And how do you suggest we remedy this problem?

Do you really think politicians on the campaign trail are going to change the way parents raise their kids?  If some of the parents are the problem, they are probably the ones that wouldnt listen to a politician regardless.

What did I just say?  "Leaders can only do so much."  All the leaders can do is not foster an environment of irresponsibility.  Our current justice system and the system in general promotes irresponsible behavior.  I also said yesterday it will never be perfect.  There is no silver bullet.  But, rewarding irresponsibility and looking the other way (as you proposed) is only going to exacerbate the issue.

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Posted: 4/10/2014 9:20 AM

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FIFAstar79 wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote: As a society, it's almost like we've said "it's easier to ignore this.. let's just brush it off on the gun-owners. Asking for parenting and accountability is just too unrealistic". LOL
You are right.  The issue is accountability in the home and bad parenting.

How do you suggest we remedy this problem?

As a society and a culture, we have to embrace personal responsibility and reward it.  We have to punish irresponsibility.  Unfortunately, in many circles, the opposite is true today.  Politicians aren't helpful either.  No matter which side they are on, rare is it they talk about personal accountability on the campaign trail.  We need better leadership, but the leaders can only do so much.  The society has to embrace personal accountability.  Right now, most run from it.
And how do you suggest we remedy this problem?

Do you really think politicians on the campaign trail are going to change the way parents raise their kids?  If some of the parents are the problem, they are probably the ones that wouldnt listen to a politician regardless.

What did I just say?  "Leaders can only do so much."  All the leaders can do is not foster an environment of irresponsibility.  Our current justice system and the system in general promotes irresponsible behavior.  I also said yesterday it will never be perfect.  There is no silver bullet.  But, rewarding irresponsibility and looking the other way (as you proposed) is only going to exacerbate the issue.
I proposed rewarding irresponsibility and looking the other way?

News to me.

The only thing I proposed in this thread was knife control laws.

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Posted: 4/10/2014 9:24 AM

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minkusdominkus wrote: DG is right that no matter what we do, there will be killers out there, period.  You play the odds and hope for the best, not much you can do beyond that.  

Truth is, there is no answer.  Some people are screwed up.  Some people are murderers.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 9:36 AM

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FIFAstar79 wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: DG is right that no matter what we do, there will be killers out there, period.  You play the odds and hope for the best, not much you can do beyond that.  

Truth is, there is no answer.  Some people are screwed up.  Some people are murderers.
Proving my point, thanks.

But feel free to read into it however you like and mischaracterize arguments, as is your MO.
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