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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:56 PM

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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:12 PM

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Is that a Halo game?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:26 PM

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might as well be at this point
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:32 PM

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What about Ayn Rand novels?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:35 PM

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Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:39 PM

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minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

not a big fan of skop's religious brainwashing, so dont really wanna support his views too much. im closer to you than skop in totality tbh.

after no taxes, separating church and state is probably my 2nd biggest agenda.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:41 PM

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RSVandy wrote: What about Ayn Rand novels?

id prefer people first read Wealth of Nations. If that doesnt do it, I dont think theyll be able to grasp the brilliant philosophy of Rand novels.

Maybe start with Thoreau or Emerson, to get a basic understanding of self-reliance and setting up your own personal economy.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:41 PM

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dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:43 PM

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dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
RSVandy wrote: What about Ayn Rand novels?

id prefer people first read Wealth of Nations. If that doesnt do it, I dont think theyll be able to grasp the brilliant philosophy of Rand novels.

Maybe start with Thoreau or Emerson, to get a basic understanding of self-reliance and setting up your own personal economy.
Most people grow out of their Ayn Rand phase by the time they're 18...biggrin
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:46 PM

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nice to know there's still some liberals left posting on here i can ruffle feathers with :)
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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:02 PM

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dgLuvsTheMets wrote: nice to know there's still some liberals left posting on here i can ruffle feathers with :)
I don't think our feathers are ruffleable today.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:42 PM

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Ayn Rand is a bit rough for my taste.  I would prefer for people to reach their come to Jesus moments before things get so bad that we can't afford a social safety net.  I liked wealth of nations quite a bit years ago when I read it.  There are some details that even conservatives should think about.  Smith mentions that great imbalances in trade can serve to make make countries less wealthy (even though he thinks, and I agree that more total trade does increase wealth). 

 

We really should pay attention to opinions on Mercantilism.  We have been very foolish to practice "free trade"  with a country that practices back door mercantilism on a large scale.

Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:50 PM

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RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:25 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
How do you 'become conservative about patent and copyrights'? What does that even mean?

Also, a lot of the startup scene is anti-patent (especially in software) or at least anti the current system. 

And companies have to share their technology (e.g., patents). They have to disclose it in such a way that another person can basically learn from it and build on it. And then people can still do certain things with that technology. And sometimes those companies are forced to reasonably license out their patents (especially the really good ones), even to competitors.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:38 PM

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RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
How do you 'become conservative about patent and copyrights'? What does that even mean?

Also, a lot of the startup scene is anti-patent (especially in software) or at least anti the current system. 

And companies have to share their technology (e.g., patents). They have to disclose it in such a way that another person can basically learn from it and build on it. And then people can still do certain things with that technology. And sometimes those companies are forced to reasonably license out their patents (especially the really good ones), even to competitors.
No one should be forced to do anything with their property.  You mean to tell me that Google voluntarily gives up its technology to competitors. That's nuts.  The part that says it is forced really bothers me.  It makes me think I should never put money in a tech stock.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:40 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
How do you 'become conservative about patent and copyrights'? What does that even mean?

Also, a lot of the startup scene is anti-patent (especially in software) or at least anti the current system. 

And companies have to share their technology (e.g., patents). They have to disclose it in such a way that another person can basically learn from it and build on it. And then people can still do certain things with that technology. And sometimes those companies are forced to reasonably license out their patents (especially the really good ones), even to competitors.
No one should be forced to do anything with their property.  You mean to tell me that Google voluntarily gives up its technology to competitors. That's nuts.  The part that says it is forced really bothers me.  It makes me think I should never put money in a tech stock.
That would be roughly analogous to me inventing a new process to make steel that was stronger, lighter, and cheaper to make and forcing me to reveal the process to my competitors.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:51 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
How do you 'become conservative about patent and copyrights'? What does that even mean?

Also, a lot of the startup scene is anti-patent (especially in software) or at least anti the current system. 

And companies have to share their technology (e.g., patents). They have to disclose it in such a way that another person can basically learn from it and build on it. And then people can still do certain things with that technology. And sometimes those companies are forced to reasonably license out their patents (especially the really good ones), even to competitors.
No one should be forced to do anything with their property.  You mean to tell me that Google voluntarily gives up its technology to competitors. That's nuts.  The part that says it is forced really bothers me.  It makes me think I should never put money in a tech stock.

Yeah, actually everyone does. It's part of the bargain to get a patent, you have to tell everyone about it in a piece of paper or document at the patent office. You either disclose it or just keep it a trade secret I guess.


And there are some patents that you have to offer at reasonable royalties, which is exactly an issue that Google through their motorola mobility acquisition and Apple are going through right now.

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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:52 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
How do you 'become conservative about patent and copyrights'? What does that even mean?

Also, a lot of the startup scene is anti-patent (especially in software) or at least anti the current system. 

And companies have to share their technology (e.g., patents). They have to disclose it in such a way that another person can basically learn from it and build on it. And then people can still do certain things with that technology. And sometimes those companies are forced to reasonably license out their patents (especially the really good ones), even to competitors.
No one should be forced to do anything with their property.  You mean to tell me that Google voluntarily gives up its technology to competitors. That's nuts.  The part that says it is forced really bothers me.  It makes me think I should never put money in a tech stock.
That would be roughly analogous to me inventing a new process to make steel that was stronger, lighter, and cheaper to make and forcing me to reveal the process to my competitors.
Yes. If you want a patent, then you have to reveal the process. That's part of the bargain to get an exclusive right. Otherwise, just keep it a trade secret, like the coke formula or whatever.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 2:02 PM

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RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
How do you 'become conservative about patent and copyrights'? What does that even mean?

Also, a lot of the startup scene is anti-patent (especially in software) or at least anti the current system. 

And companies have to share their technology (e.g., patents). They have to disclose it in such a way that another person can basically learn from it and build on it. And then people can still do certain things with that technology. And sometimes those companies are forced to reasonably license out their patents (especially the really good ones), even to competitors.
No one should be forced to do anything with their property.  You mean to tell me that Google voluntarily gives up its technology to competitors. That's nuts.  The part that says it is forced really bothers me.  It makes me think I should never put money in a tech stock.
That would be roughly analogous to me inventing a new process to make steel that was stronger, lighter, and cheaper to make and forcing me to reveal the process to my competitors.
Yes. If you want a patent, then you have to reveal the process. That's part of the bargain to get an exclusive right. Otherwise, just keep it a trade secret, like the coke formula or whatever.
I understand that you have to reveal the process/tech.  Being forced to license it to someone is wrong and an abridgement of property rights.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 2:06 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
dgLuvsTheMets wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Shame you weren't on here changing hearts and minds for the last months leading up to the election, skop could've used some help from a mild mannered, even-keel, real thinking man's conservative like yourself.

too busy setting up multiple income streams and working at my job and trying some start up ideas. i know, both are foreign concepts to most liberals.

Yeah, 'start up ideas' are pretty foreign to liberals. That's why Silicon Valley/SF Bay Area, NYC, and Boston, three liberal bastions, are the leaders in startup funding. thumbsup.gif

Definitely not any startup ideas coming from San Francisco, NYC, and Boston.
They become conservatives about patent and copyrights in a hurry though (intellectual property)   Funny, how so few companies like to share their technology for nothing in return.  I think they should be forced to share it with everyone else so they aren't keeping all the good ideas to themselves.
How do you 'become conservative about patent and copyrights'? What does that even mean?

Also, a lot of the startup scene is anti-patent (especially in software) or at least anti the current system. 

And companies have to share their technology (e.g., patents). They have to disclose it in such a way that another person can basically learn from it and build on it. And then people can still do certain things with that technology. And sometimes those companies are forced to reasonably license out their patents (especially the really good ones), even to competitors.
No one should be forced to do anything with their property.  You mean to tell me that Google voluntarily gives up its technology to competitors. That's nuts.  The part that says it is forced really bothers me.  It makes me think I should never put money in a tech stock.
That would be roughly analogous to me inventing a new process to make steel that was stronger, lighter, and cheaper to make and forcing me to reveal the process to my competitors.
Yes. If you want a patent, then you have to reveal the process. That's part of the bargain to get an exclusive right. Otherwise, just keep it a trade secret, like the coke formula or whatever.
I understand that you have to reveal the process/tech.  Being forced to license it to someone is wrong and an abridgement of property rights.
It's not very common. But patent rights are a little different and cannot be 'abused' in certain ways. 

What is an 'abridgement' of property rights to you? Is it only being forced to do something with it or does it also include being forced to not do something with it as well?

Because obviously even real property rights are going to be a problem for you, too, then.
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