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Niese: MRI "Clean" (Shoulder/Tricep Pain)

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Posted: 2/26/2014 5:59 PM

Niese: MRI "Clean" (Shoulder/Tricep Pain) 


He's off the NY to have an MRI on his pitching shoulder. One report I heard on the radio called it precautionary, but another report said that Niese had, in his words, "a dead shoulder". Doesn't sound too good.

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Posted: 2/26/2014 7:19 PM

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We won't see Niese until 2015.  I can see it now. frown

The 2014 starting rotation can still be pretty good but imagine what it might in 2015 when Niese, Harvey, and Hefner return. eek

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Posted: 2/26/2014 7:44 PM

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The only potential silver lining here might be that you could see more of Mejia, Montero, and Syndy. Unless of course the Met feed us a bunch of broken down has beens. I have no desire to see Matsusaka. What's the point?
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Posted: 2/26/2014 8:05 PM

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You can never have too much pitching.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 8:07 PM

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danfran wrote: The only potential silver lining here might be that you could see more of Mejia, Montero, and Syndy. Unless of course the Met feed us a bunch of broken down has beens. I have no desire to see Matsusaka. What's the point?
I think we will get the has beens before the kids.  Gotta play service clock bingo.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 8:17 PM

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oct271986 wrote:
danfran wrote: The only potential silver lining here might be that you could see more of Mejia, Montero, and Syndy. Unless of course the Met feed us a bunch of broken down has beens. I have no desire to see Matsusaka. What's the point?
I think we will get the has beens before the kids.  Gotta play service clock bingo.
God, I hate that. More bums in August and September in order to worship at the unproven altar of pitch counts.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 8:55 PM

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FWIW:

“Last year when there was pain, it was difficult to do everyday things such as turn a steering wheel or put on a belt,” Niese said (DiComo, Feb. 26). “There’s no pain with any of that now, so I don’t foresee it being serious at all.”


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Posted: 2/26/2014 11:39 PM

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Actually, I didn't feel too bad when I heard this.

There. I said it.
And I'm glad.

When other starters (of the 5 going into this season) are announced, I think the Mets have a chance of winning. (Oh, ok, but you know what I mean). when Niese is the announced starter, I expect a loss.
The guy is just good enough to lose with.
If the team scores 5, he gives up 6.
If the team scores 2 he gives up 3.
I'd rather see what some of the kids can do with the opportunity.


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Posted: 2/27/2014 3:40 AM

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NewMFS62 wrote: Actually, I didn't feel too bad when I heard this.

There. I said it.
And I'm glad.

When other starters (of the 5 going into this season) are announced, I think the Mets have a chance of winning. (Oh, ok, but you know what I mean). when Niese is the announced starter, I expect a loss.
The guy is just good enough to lose with.
If the team scores 5, he gives up 6.
If the team scores 2 he gives up 3.
I'd rather see what some of the kids can do with the opportunity.


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It might seem that way to you, NewMFS, but the reality is that he has a 43-40 career record playing for awful Mets teams, and I would wager that the bullpen has blown way more wins for him than he has himself.
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Posted: 2/27/2014 5:32 AM

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He has a partial tear of the rotator cuff which was diagnosed last summer. These things dp not heal on their own. A bit early in ST for "dead arm". This overall condition doesn't bode well for his long term. May come back soon but something is going in within that shoulder
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Posted: 2/27/2014 6:15 AM

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KABOOOOM wrote: He has a partial tear of the rotator cuff which was diagnosed last summer. These things dp not heal on their own. A bit early in ST for "dead arm". This overall condition doesn't bode well for his long term. May come back soon but something is going in within that shoulder
I agree with his long term as a NY pitcher. (bad english, I know) Despite his being a lefty, with all the young pitchers coming he might be the guy I cut bait on in a year or two. He's had some freak injuries, but that rotator cuff is a concern. Maybe you hang on to Gee instead. noidea
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Posted: 2/27/2014 8:28 AM

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There are so few pitchers who you hear have an issue with their shoulders that go on to have strong careers post ailment...

You'd rather have an elbow issue and have TJ surgery 9 out of 10 times than deal with any kind of structural shoulder problem. I know from experience here...it just saps you of everything.. I called it early on when John Maine was toast, I'm not 100% sold that Niese is completely done yet but unfortunately I think it's just a matter of time. It's a shame really because he is the type of lefty who could have hung on for a very very long time.

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Posted: 2/27/2014 8:55 AM

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If you're asking me, then I'd tell you: "dead arm" (for a pitcher - with a pretty long list of injuries throughout his career - coming off shoulder issues last season) this early isn't good.

It could turn out to be nothing, but overall - this is exactly why I've never showed the same kind of interest in Jon Niese as many on our board have touted. It's more or less "when" - rather than "if" he'll be dealing with issues.

Yes, in theory - it was a nice show of faith by the Mets to extend him when they did - a couple of years back.....but really? I never even saw him as the "horse"-type when he was coming up through the ranks. And they went through ridiculous lengths to handle him with white gloves, in an attempt "to ensure he'll last and develop" - the entire way.

Looking like there's a slimmer chance of that now, especially as he continues to fight through pain.

I wish him luck, and a best case scenario.  However, given our track record with these kinds of things: at this second in time, I almost expect to see a John Lannan breaking camp w/this club, given any sort of decent showing in ST.

.......which, to some would be terrible --- I just don't hate him nearly as much as the 5th starter types we've carried in recent years.

(Shame we probably won't seriously be discussing the merits of a Montero or Syndergaard - and will have to wait for another year of control to kick in before they're brought up.)

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Posted: 2/27/2014 9:05 AM

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It's why I shudder when hearing about an "excess" or "overabundance" of pitching we have in our system. There's absolutely no such thing, as they're just so incredibly fragile. Definitely have my fingers crossed on Niese, but it's hard to be optimistic.

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Posted: 2/27/2014 10:29 AM

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DocK16 wrote: You can never have too much pitching.

Yup - still wondering why the Mets drafted Nimmo and passed on Fernandez.

Until these prospects are proven, just keep drafting them.  One Harvey injury, add in Niese, maybe moving a Montero for a SS and the pitching is almost thin again.  There is never enough.
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Posted: 2/27/2014 11:00 AM

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NYSPORTS98 wrote:
DocK16 wrote: You can never have too much pitching.

Yup - still wondering why the Mets drafted Nimmo and passed on Fernandez.

Until these prospects are proven, just keep drafting them.  One Harvey injury, add in Niese, maybe moving a Montero for a SS and the pitching is almost thin again.  There is never enough.
Or the comparable cardinal sin, drafting Cecchini and passing on Giolito (despite elbow issues at the time I was lobbying for this selection).
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Posted: 2/27/2014 11:09 AM

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Just for fun let's assume for a second that Niese has a major shoulder issue.  In that case he would be a great illustration showing that these "team friendly" extensions to buy out arbitration years are far from risk-free.  With the extension, Niese is guaranteed $21.5M for 2014-2016.  Without having signed him to an extension he would be guaranteed only the $4M or $5M he would have gotten in arbitration for 2014.  Guaranteeing significant money to guys- especially pitchers- when the team still has 4 or 5 years of control should not ever be viewed as a universally smart thing to do.

In contrast, Dillon Gee is getting $3.6M this year.  He has no extension so if his arm falls off in 2014 he is guaranteed exactly zero dollars thereafter.
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Posted: 2/27/2014 11:14 AM

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ya know...the whole service clock thingy flies in the face of a 90 win prediction......just sayin'
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Posted: 2/27/2014 11:24 AM

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MookieLJL wrote: Just for fun let's assume for a second that Niese has a major shoulder issue.  In that case he would be a great illustration showing that these "team friendly" extensions to buy out arbitration years are far from risk-free.  With the extension, Niese is guaranteed $21.5M for 2014-2016.  Without having signed him to an extension he would be guaranteed only the $4M or $5M he would have gotten in arbitration for 2014.  Guaranteeing significant money to guys- especially pitchers- when the team still has 4 or 5 years of control should not ever be viewed as a universally smart thing to do.

In contrast, Dillon Gee is getting $3.6M this year.  He has no extension so if his arm falls off in 2014 he is guaranteed exactly zero dollars thereafter.
This is precisely why I would have liked to see Niese prove something significant, prior to getting his deal hammered out.  To my eye, he's yet to show me he can get through a season healthy, and finish up strong the whole way through.

And really, since he's had problems stemming from the cuff - you're almost always going to have to figure out alternate ways to get through your delivery.  By that token, he's not the same pitcher you gave the money to.

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Posted: 2/27/2014 11:33 AM

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MookieLJL wrote: Just for fun let's assume for a second that Niese has a major shoulder issue.  
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