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Should the Redskins (and other teams) Change Their Name?

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Posted: 10/29/2013 10:38 PM

Should the Redskins (and other teams) Change Their Name? 


There seems to be some momentum toward changing the Redskin's name.  Team owner Dan Synder has said he's not going to change it, but public opinion could sway him.

What do you guys think?  Should the Redskins (and the Indians, among others) change their name?
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Posted: 10/29/2013 10:48 PM

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Tough call.  I have flip flopped a dozen times.

I would say Yes, they should change.  I heard a good suggestion on FAN to change the name to the Warriors and leave the logo the same way it is.  That way they maintain their identity while still being able to placate the folks they have offended.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:09 PM

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The Redskins should probably change their name. Maybe the Indians, too. The Braves should just be abolished. No name change for them, just get rid of the franchise.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 6:41 AM

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RSVandy wrote: The Braves should just be abolished. No name change for them, just get rid of the franchise.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 4:17 PM

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The SF and NY Giants need to change their names as well. It offend tall people as well as height challenged people. Pointing out genetic abnormalities is just wrong.

We have to seriously consider changing the names of the Patiots,Saints, and Packers as well. We do have descendants of the Torries here in the US, plus, it is just offensive to immigrants. Not all of us are Saints and it is rude to throw our shortcomings in our faces. Packers could be construed as a Gay slur.

Athletics, come on. Sure, let me know I am nothing but a couch potato and your team is gifted. Pirates, no, I believe they are skilled seamen. Padres, well that is just a Hispanic slur, what about the madres.

Our sports teams are so damn insensitive.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 4:25 PM

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That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.

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Posted: 10/30/2013 5:29 PM

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dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Agreed on the name Redskins, but are the Braves\Indians\Chiefs that much different than the Vikings\Celtics\Fighting Irish? That's probably where I'd draw the line.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 6:31 PM

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dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Yeah, I personally think that too may people take too much offense at words or phrases, but I cant tell people what should and shouldn't offend them.  If I were native American, I think I would be indifferent but if the name offends a large chunk of people, then I would be surprised if the NFL doesn't coax Snyder into a new name.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 6:52 PM

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oct271986 wrote:
dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Yeah, I personally think that too may people take too much offense at words or phrases, but I cant tell people what should and shouldn't offend them.  If I were native American, I think I would be indifferent but if the name offends a large chunk of people, then I would be surprised if the NFL doesn't coax Snyder into a new name.
With all due respect, you're not, and you don't know how you would feel if you'd grown up experiencing what it's like to be native American and see your culture and heritage parodied for the entertainment of other people (chief wahoo? seriously?), among other issues.

EDIT: I know you're trying to be sincere, but I think 'putting yourselves in the other guys shoes' is a harder exercise than some people realize, because there's a lot more baggage and context than is apparent at the surface.

[Edited out something, didn't realize this thread was in the B&G, hehe] I want to share this, which I'm sure many of you have seen:




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Posted: 10/30/2013 7:01 PM

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Please note that I would like to see the name changed. 

Personally, I have had enough of the activist portion of any group overreacting to any word or name.    But, I respect that not everyone feels that way and at the end of the day, no one should have to be offended, even if I feel as though they shouldn't be.

Native Americans certainly aren't the only group that has a gripe about the way they have been treated.  I wont waste everyone's time about all of the other groups that wish that their major compliant was a Chief Yahoo characterization as opposed to lynching, mass genocide etc.   There's a lot of ****** stuff throughout history.

Change the name so everyone can move on.  It's 2013.  We should be refined enough to not be guilty of things like this.

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Posted: 10/30/2013 7:28 PM

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dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Speak for yourself.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 7:30 PM

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oct271986 wrote:
dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Yeah, I personally think that too may people take too much offense at words or phrases, but I cant tell people what should and shouldn't offend them.  If I were native American, I think I would be indifferent but if the name offends a large chunk of people, then I would be surprised if the NFL doesn't coax Snyder into a new name.
Agree on that part about people being too sensitive. Personally, I think i would be more offended by the whole "tomahawk chop" thing than the name. How is that not offensive? You are making fun of Indians, IMO.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 7:52 PM

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dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Speak for yourself.

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I'm not sure what you mean? I just thought that analogy was pretty silly. I think nevets even knew he was taking it to an extreme.

But, yes, I am speaking for myself when I say it should be changed.

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Posted: 10/30/2013 7:54 PM

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dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Agreed on the name Redskins, but are the Braves\Indians\Chiefs that much different than the Vikings\Celtics\Fighting Irish? That's probably where I'd draw the line.

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Yeah, I sort of agree with that. I think most people are more offended by the Indians and Braves logos, right? Redskins is just really, really bad.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 8:27 PM

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dcmets wrote:
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dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Speak for yourself.

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I'm not sure what you mean? I just thought that analogy was pretty silly. I think nevets even knew he was taking it to an extreme.

But, yes, I am speaking for myself when I say it should be changed.
I was kidding that I was offended by Packers.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 9:26 PM

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Anyone see PETA's suggestion that the Redskins keep the name but change the logo to a potato?


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Posted: 10/30/2013 9:50 PM

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dcmets wrote:
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dcmets wrote: That's a pretty dumb argument :) If a name is derogatory slur towards a group of people and is actually being used as such, than it would be comparable, and should be changed.  It would be overly sensitive for gay people to think that Packers was intended to offend them...but they dont think that.
Speak for yourself.

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I'm not sure what you mean? I just thought that analogy was pretty silly. I think nevets even knew he was taking it to an extreme.

But, yes, I am speaking for myself when I say it should be changed.
I was kidding that I was offended by Packers.

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;) i was wondering if that was if you meant.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 10:47 PM

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NYMethuselah wrote: Anyone see PETA's suggestion that the Redskins keep the name but change the logo to a potato?


That is absolutely spectacular.
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Posted: 10/31/2013 9:20 AM

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dcmets wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean? I just thought that analogy was pretty silly. I think nevets even knew he was taking it to an extreme.

But, yes, I am speaking for myself when I say it should be changed.

Absolutely.  The idea of changing the Redskins name to me is all that is wrong with society today.  Words are words, contrary to the common statement that wrods do hurt.  Words don;t hurt, context hurt.  I have been a football fan for between 35-40 years,  I never once thought of "Redskins" as a negative statement.  In fact, I never even heard the term used in a negative way like some other words have been; like the N words or the H word.  Never.  I could use other innoccuos words in a much more negative and hurtful way than having a football team named Redskins.  It is ridiculous.

I am all for sensitivity and being inclusive.  At some point, however, we need to be smarter and more intellegent.  There are so many other real issues in this country that need attention, why the heck are we worrying about a team name which had never even been considered offensive until the last year or two.  If the name was used as an negative slure at one time, those times are long gone.  Get over it and move on.
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Posted: 10/31/2013 12:49 PM

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Just to add some color to this discussion:

Sources: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...e-mascot-change, http://dictionary.reference.co...se/redskins?s=t, http://www.learnersdictionary....inition/redskin

Definitions:

From Dictionary.com:
redskin (ˈrɛdˌskɪn)n : an old-fashioned informal name, now considered taboo, for a Native American: so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre

From Websters Dictionary:
red·skin noun \ˈred-ˌskin\usually offensive : american indian

No Entries in Encyclopedia.com or Britanica.com

Oneida Indians went into NFL yesterday and made the following comments and demands:

Representatives of the Oneida Indian Nation on Wednesday asked NFL executives to sanction Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder for conduct detrimental to the league for continuing to use a team nickname and mascot that "promote a dictionary-defined racial slur."

"We are very disappointed," (Oneida spokesman Joel) Barkin said. "This is the beginning of a process. It's clear that they don't see how this is not a unifying term. They don't have a complete appreciation for the breadth of opposition of Native Americans to this mascot and name."


In a two-page letter written to Goodell and turned over to league executives Wednesday, Halbritter (Ray Halbritter of the Oneida Nation) asked executives to amend the league's bylaws with a rule that would prohibit the NFL from naming teams with "dictionary-defined racial slurs," a classification that Oneida leaders say includes Redskins.

Halbritter also asked Goodell to open an inquiry of Snyder under section 8.13 of league bylaws, which gives the commissioner the power to initiate disciplinary action against any owner who is "guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the league or professional football."

"People ask, 'Why now?' but Native Americans have protested against this nickname for 40 years," Friedman (Michael A. Friedman, a clinical psychologist) said in an interview. "There are 10 different studies showing the direct causal effects on Native Americans and how it creates a racially hostile environment."

"Native Americans are the only group in the United States subjected to having a racial slur as the mascot of a prominent professional sports team," Friedman wrote in his study. "The Washington football team, whether it intends to do so or not, is contributing to prejudice and discrimination against Native Americans by persisting in using the 'R-word.' With the help of the National Football League's $9 billion a year global marketing machine, this behavior not only repeatedly exposes Native Americans to a harmful stereotype, but also implicitly condones the use of this term by non-Native Americans, which if performed on an interpersonal level would possibly constitute harassment or bullying."

Link to the 30 Page study conducted by the Oneida Tribe: Link


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