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8/1 MiL Highlights

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Posted: 8/1/2010 1:18 PM

8/1 MiL Highlights 


Buffalo -- Won 2-1


F.Martinez: 1-2, HR, BB
L.Duda: 0-4, K
N.Evans: 3-5, 2B
R.Tejada: 1-3, BB
J.Turner: 1-2, K

F.Nieve: 3.2 IP, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 2.45 ERA
J.De La Torre: 1.1 IP, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 3.19 ERA
R.Igarashi: 2 IP, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR, 4.26 ERA

Binghamton -- Won 8-3

K.Nieuwenhuis: 1-4, 2B, BB, K
S.Ratliff: 0-3, 2 BB, 2 K
J.Satin: 2-5
Z.Lutz: 2-4, 2 HR, BB, K

J.Stinson: 6.2 IP, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 3.47 ERA
M.Alvarez: 2.1, 1 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 HR, 2.78 ERA

St. Lucie -- Lost 7-5

W.Flores: 0-4
J.Valdespin: 1-4, 2B, 3 K
S.Welch: 1-4, HR, K
R.Lucas: 0-4, K

J.Familia: 5 IP, 5 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 0 HR, 9-1 GB-FB, 6.30 ERA
S.Moviel: 4 IP, 2 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 HR, 5-2 GB-FB, 6.08 ERA

Savannah -- Won 2-1

J.Marte: DNP
C.Puello: 3-4, BB, 3 SB
W.Tovar: 1-5
R.Shields: 3-4, BB, SB

J.Fuller: 5 IP, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 0 HR, 1.93 ERA
G.Leduc: 2.1 IP, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 0 HR, 2.41 ERA

Brooklyn -- Won 7-4

D.Ceciliani: 2-4
C.Vaughn: 2-5, K
B.Harrison: 0-3
J.Brown: 2-4
B.Forsythe: 1-3, HR, 2 K

A.Cuan: 5.2 IP, 2 ER, 1 BB, 10 K, 1 HR, 1.68 ERA
H.Bennett: 1.1 IP, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 HR, 3.80 ERA

Kingsport -- Lost 6-2

Ad.Rodriguez: 2-4, K
C.Greene: 0-4
J.Rodriguez: 0-2, BB, K
N.Zapata: 0-4, K
Z.McQueen: 1-4
J.Schafer: 1-3, BB, K

 

M.Hebert: 5 IP, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 8-3 GB-FB, 5.35 ERA


GCL -- Won 5-1


J.Concepcion: DNP
R.Santana: 1-5, K
A.Sanchez: 1-4, k
J.Glenn: 0-4
T.Pugh: 2-4, BB, K
M.den Dekker: 0-3, BB, K

M.Camarena: 6 IP, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 0 HR, 3.27 ERA

"Throw strikes, you dummy" ~ Buck O'Neil

Last edited 8/1/2010 10:13 PM by Deaconsaber

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Posted: 8/1/2010 4:25 PM

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Wally just had Blake Forsythe lay down a sac bunt in the 2nd inning. Way to develop our prospects.

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Posted: 8/1/2010 4:34 PM

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Deaconsaber wrote: Wally just had Blake Forsythe lay down a sac bunt in the 2nd inning. Way to develop our prospects.

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Posted: 8/1/2010 4:41 PM

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My god.
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Posted: 8/1/2010 5:59 PM

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He could go 50-10....and still be thought of as useless and a hindrance to his team..... here in Saberville. 

It's not only about decision making.  A computer could perfect it and you wouldn't need a manager if that was the case.  At some point you have to value what his players say about him..how they perform under his leadership......and add that quotient into your assessment. 

But, I'll grant you...it does bother me...that so many of his baserunners get thrown out on the basepaths...trying to either please their manager by being aggressive...or just following seemingly endless hit and run and steal signs.

He's going to be considered as the next manager...so, if it was me...I'd sit him down and ask him what he has learned...what he would do differently...despite all the success at Brooklyn.

I'd look for stubborness.......my way or the highway....as a redflag....and to be honest, I think Wally would have a hard time passing that test.  So, I'd be very cautious in my evaluation of him. Just wouldn't give up on him now.

I wouldn't just pass him by because of his overly aggressive style.  Might be missing someone special. But, he must show signs of being flexible.....with the ability to adapt to the major leagues..or he'll be exposed  And that quality might not be there...so I'm not on the bandwagon.
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Posted: 8/1/2010 6:12 PM

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sweeper5 wrote: He could go 50-10....and still be thought of as useless and a hindrance to his team..... here in Saberville.

It's not only about decision making. A computer could perfect it and you wouldn't need a manager if that was the case. At some point you have to value what his players say about him..how they perform under his leadership......and add that quotient into your assessment.

But, I'll grant you...it does bother me...that so many of his baserunners get thrown out on the basepaths...trying to either please their manager by being aggressive...or just following seemingly endless hit and run and steal signs.

He's going to be considered as the next manager...so, if it was me...I'd sit him down and ask him what he has learned...what he would do differently...despite all the success at Brooklyn.

I'd look for stubborness.......my way or the highway....as a redflag....and to be honest, I think Wally would have a hard time passing that test. So, I'd be very cautious in my evaluation of him. Just wouldn't give up on him now.

I wouldn't just pass him by because of his overly aggressive style. Might be missing someone special. But, he must show signs of being flexible.....with the ability to adapt to the major leagues..or he'll be exposed And that quality might not be there...so I'm not on the bandwagon.
But "he" couldn't go 50-10 -- the Brooklyn Cyclones would, and the role of the manager plays only a small part in that.  And from all indications, he's doing his part pretty poorly.

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Posted: 8/1/2010 6:18 PM

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Brooklyn is an amazing hitting team. The team average OPS is .830...the next closest team is at .741 and 9 out of 14 teams are below .700.

And yet Backman somehow is having someone sac bunt in the 2nd inning. roll.gif
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Posted: 8/1/2010 6:22 PM

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Deaconsaber wrote:
sweeper5 wrote: He could go 50-10....and still be thought of as useless and a hindrance to his team..... here in Saberville.

It's not only about decision making. A computer could perfect it and you wouldn't need a manager if that was the case. At some point you have to value what his players say about him..how they perform under his leadership......and add that quotient into your assessment.

But, I'll grant you...it does bother me...that so many of his baserunners get thrown out on the basepaths...trying to either please their manager by being aggressive...or just following seemingly endless hit and run and steal signs.

He's going to be considered as the next manager...so, if it was me...I'd sit him down and ask him what he has learned...what he would do differently...despite all the success at Brooklyn.

I'd look for stubborness.......my way or the highway....as a redflag....and to be honest, I think Wally would have a hard time passing that test. So, I'd be very cautious in my evaluation of him. Just wouldn't give up on him now.

I wouldn't just pass him by because of his overly aggressive style. Might be missing someone special. But, he must show signs of being flexible.....with the ability to adapt to the major leagues..or he'll be exposed And that quality might not be there...so I'm not on the bandwagon.
But "he" couldn't go 50-10 -- the Brooklyn Cyclones would, and the role of the manager plays only a small part in that.  And from all indications, he's doing his part pretty poorly.

don't think you can prove how small the manager's role is...

that being said...it looks like he just bunted with his all world hitter...Ceciliani...in the 7th....with no out and his leadoff guy on....up 4 runs

That makes absolutely no sense.....so I may not be too far from your side of the fence. I wanna believe, but the evidence keeps shooting me down.  Still not closing the door, though
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Posted: 8/1/2010 6:25 PM

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I saw a study which showed that under 5% of the variabiltiy in W-L record is explained by managers.

Anecdotally, you can look at how individual managers can have huge shifts from good seasons to bad (see Joe Torre or Lou Pineilla).

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Posted: 8/1/2010 6:26 PM

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No Justin Turner in the lineup. Hopefully it means he's being called up.

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Posted: 8/1/2010 6:35 PM

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Deaconsaber wrote: I saw a study which showed that under 5% of the variabiltiy in W-L record is explained by managers.

Anecdotally, you can look at how individual managers can have huge shifts from good seasons to bad (see Joe Torre or Lou Pineilla).

I think a manager can have a greater impact in the short run...over the long.  So, i kinda agree.


I think the mets need change...not just in person....but in style.   Wally is showing too much old-school thinking...granted...for my taste....and that is annoying me...even as i watch his team win every game.

Who out there is commanding, communicate a sense of urgency when necessary, hold players accountable, etc....yet be advanced in his thinking?

That's who i'd want. I don't know who he is.

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Posted: 8/1/2010 7:19 PM

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"Z.Lutz: 2-4, 2 HR, BB, K"

Another sure, likely on the 2011 25-man roster at one point,  ML bat...
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Posted: 8/1/2010 7:20 PM

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For me, it's not just the small-ball, but also that article someone posted where Wally was quoted as saying that his strategy depended on the players, and how if he had Albert Pujols he wouldn't have to manufacture runs, completely oblivious to the fact that Brooklyn does indeed have not one or two, but several guys who are the NYPL equivalents of Pujols.

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Posted: 8/1/2010 7:31 PM

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www.northjersey.com/sports/072...ets_savior.html

“All I’m looking for is an opportunity – give me a team that can compete and I’ll make them better. I know what I can do. I know what I do on the field is right. You can question me on anything, on any move I make, and I’ll have a stat that shows I’m right.” -- Backman
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Fair enough, Wally.  Show me the stat that says it made sense to sac bunt the #6 hitter with a 1 run lead in the 4the inning?


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Posted: 8/1/2010 7:33 PM

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Deaconsaber wrote: For me, it's not just the small-ball, but also that article someone posted where Wally was quoted as saying that his strategy depended on the players, and how if he had Albert Pujols he wouldn't have to manufacture runs, completely oblivious to the fact that Brooklyn does indeed have not one or two, but several guys who are the NYPL equivalents of Pujols.

comes down to this

is his drive to win greater than his need to control?

he'll adapt if his desperation to win is much greater        the feedback loop would steer him into better decisions

His team owns the league...so that challenge (adaptation) is not pressing him at the moment
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Posted: 8/1/2010 8:52 PM

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Fernando! is on fire

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Posted: 8/1/2010 9:13 PM

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Deaconsaber wrote: Fernando! is on fire



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Posted: 8/1/2010 9:14 PM

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He has earned back his exclamation mark for now.

Last edited 8/1/2010 9:14 PM by RSVandy

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Posted: 8/1/2010 9:14 PM

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Deaconsaber wrote: No Justin Turner in the lineup. Hopefully it means he's being called up.
He just pinch hit.  Got a single.
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Posted: 8/1/2010 9:52 PM

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i dont get why everyone is knocking what our low a ball manager is doing???  i dont care that he is having guys bunt.    guys need to learn the fundamentals and if they are asked to bunt so be it.    he is the manager of brooklyn,  not the mets.
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