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Wilmer Flores

Posted: 2/1/2013 3:00 AM

Wilmer Flores 


What should the Mets do with him this year?

- Let him play 3rd and try to make him a very good trade chip next year

- Try to learn to play 2nd base or LF/RF and hope for the best

Because of his bat I would try him at 2nd for half a season and see how things go. When things dont work out you can always put him back at 3rd for the rest of the year.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:31 AM

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It's not an easy call. I'd probably go for an early look at 2nd, though part of me says just leave him be at 3rd and hope he hits his way into top prospect status.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:17 AM

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I think the plan they're talking about (mostly 3B but some 2B) is the right way to go.  3B is where his prospect value is potentially the highest as a trade chip.  And 2B is his only hope for an every day job with the Mets.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:38 AM

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If the Mets feel his range will prohibit him from being an everyday 2B than keeping him at 3B makes the most sense. Increases his value and makes him a valuable trade chip. I think the plan is to trade him barring him turning into the next Cabrera.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:56 PM

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3b
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:29 PM

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When people compliment him, they always talk about his high contact rates, and power.  For curiosity sake, how does he compare (as a prospect) to Edgar Martinez?
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:09 AM

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apparently OF isn't out of the question.

Alderson said prospect Wilmer Flores will play third base and second base in spring training, but it’s “conceivable” given the team’s needs that he also can see time in the outfield. “As long as Wilmer continues to develop as a hitter, we’ll find a position for him,” the GM said. 
"Maybe it's time to make some moves."  - Sandy Alderson
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:34 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote: apparently OF isn't out of the question.

Alderson said prospect Wilmer Flores will play third base and second base in spring training, but it’s “conceivable” given the team’s needs that he also can see time in the outfield. “As long as Wilmer continues to develop as a hitter, we’ll find a position for him,” the GM said. 
Really not sure how that's going to be possible? IIRC, Mayo recently had his speed rated as 2 or 3 on a scale of 2-8. This kid is slower than a catcher.

I know you've made the Kevin Mitchell comparision in the past (and Mitch was one of my favorite players from that team, so I would be estatic with that).....but Kevin Mitchell was actually a pretty damned good athlete despite his bulk (which increased over time). I think the "super-sub" possibilities are a little more limited with Flores.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:54 AM

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Lutz is the latest to get the OF switch.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:26 AM

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Kooos wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote: apparently OF isn't out of the question.

Alderson said prospect Wilmer Flores will play third base and second base in spring training, but it’s “conceivable” given the team’s needs that he also can see time in the outfield. “As long as Wilmer continues to develop as a hitter, we’ll find a position for him,” the GM said. 
Really not sure how that's going to be possible? IIRC, Mayo recently had his speed rated as 2 or 3 on a scale of 2-8. This kid is slower than a catcher.
I'd hate to see him in the outfield because he is slower than slow.  I've commented to many people over the years that I've never seen a skinnier guy like him be as slow as he is.  I mean he's Jesus Montero slow without the bulk and I wouldn't want to see him in the outfield either.  Putting him there is where singles would turn into doubles a little too often IMO.

I'd be more apt to trade him for a young outfielder before trotting him out to the outfield.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 9:30 AM

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Wilmer Flores, 2B/3B, New York NL
There’s only one player in the Pacific Coast League who’s both (a) the same age as/younger than Flores and also (b) exhibiting more promising offensive indicators: baseball’s No. 1 overall prospect, Jurickson Profar (89 PA, 2 HR, 15 BB, 15 K). Baseball’s second- or third-overall prospect, Oscar Taveras, is both (a) the same age as Flores and also (b) posting very similar offensive indicators so far. Here’s Taveras, for example: 71 PA, 2 HR, 4 BB, 7 K. And now here’s Flores: 101 PA, 1 HR, 8 BB, 8 K. In any case, he remains an above-average hitter at Triple-A in his age-21 season.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 9:57 AM

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Yep, I'm pleased with his season so far. Particularly the patience he has displayed. If he can continue to work on his pitch recognition in the coming months, I think we'll really see him start driving the ball by season's end.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 10:01 AM

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more or Wilmer via Sickels...


I note that Flores has maintained a strong BB/K ratio with eight walks and eight strikeouts in 88 at-bats, so he's had no problems making contact at least. He is also working to adapt to full-time play at second base, having split '12 between third and second. If he continues to make contact and control the zone reasonably well, I expect his hitting will pick up as the summer progresses. Flores is still only 21 years old.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 11:27 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote: more or Wilmer via Sickels...


I note that Flores has maintained a strong BB/K ratio with eight walks and eight strikeouts in 88 at-bats, so he's had no problems making contact at least. He is also working to adapt to full-time play at second base, having split '12 between third and second. If he continues to make contact and control the zone reasonably well, I expect his hitting will pick up as the summer progresses. Flores is still only 21 years old.
Amazing that he is 21. Feels like we've been talking about him for 7 or 8 years.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 12:11 PM

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21 and in AAA. And yet people still act as if he's 26 in AAA.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 3:27 PM

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RSVandy wrote: 21 and in AAA. And yet people still act as if he's 26 in AAA.

Ask yourself this question.

Would the Mets be better right now with Wilmer Flores at 1B or Ike Davis?


Then add in projectibility.  Wilmer Will eventually fill out with man muscles.
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Posted: 5/8/2013 6:24 PM

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Wilmer is atop the FG "fringe prospect" list, defined as not having been in the top 100 of 3 notable pre-season lists.

Wilmer Flores, 2B/3B, New York NL (Profile)
Only two qualified Pacific Coast League batters are younger than Flores: uber-prospect Jurickson Profar and other uber-prospect Oscar Taveras. Nor are Flores’ present offensive indicators considerably different than either of theirs. Regard, Profar’s line as of Tuesday: 117 PA, 2 HR, 17 BB, 19 K. And also Taveras’s: 99 PA, 3 HR, 6 BB, 11 K. And now Flores’s: 129 PA, 1 HR, 9 BB, 13 K.
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Posted: 5/8/2013 6:45 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
RSVandy wrote: 21 and in AAA. And yet people still act as if he's 26 in AAA.

Ask yourself this question.

Would the Mets be better right now with Wilmer Flores at 1B or Ike Davis?


Then add in projectibility.  Wilmer Will eventually fill out with man muscles.
Can he play 1b?
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Posted: 5/8/2013 6:52 PM

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The Mets are better off letting Wilmer develop at a comfortable rate.  Even if Wilmer can come up and suck less than Ike, it doesn't behoove the Mets to promote him before he's ready.  Let him master AAA first, then promote him.
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Posted: 5/8/2013 6:54 PM

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And while Wilmer's performance this year is promising because of the BB/K ratio and doubles, his overall performance has been pretty mediocre.

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