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OT: Red Sox fire Valentine

Posted: 10/4/2012 10:47 PM

OT: Red Sox fire Valentine 


http://mlb.si.com/2012/10/04/b...-sox/?hpt=hp_t3

 No surprise.  I never liked him as a manager.  I think he blew the big opportunity he waited many years to get, the opportunity to manage in MLB again.  I can't see another team taking a chance on him.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:31 PM

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He will go back to Japan where he was treated like a King. He had his own beer named after him.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:35 PM

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I liked him when he was here, but I don't think that I would want him around anymore.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 8:03 AM

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Valentine is, and always has been, a despicable person.  I hated the way he treated the players when he was with the Mets and I told my Red Sox buddy back in March that they would quickly come to despise this guy...it didn't take long.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:05 AM

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nickel7168 wrote: Valentine is, and always has been, a despicable person.  I hated the way he treated the players when he was with the Mets and I told my Red Sox buddy back in March that they would quickly come to despise this guy...it didn't take long.

That despicable person still got us to our most recent WS appearance and he got the most out of his players when he managed here.  It's not like he had a team full of allstars either.  The Mets teams were fun to watch under him and who could forget the silly disguise he wore when he got tossed out of the game that one time.  He stood up to the umps alot unlike some of our most recent managers. 

I think he was setup for failure from the word go as a Redsox manager.  I still think he's a good manager, but I know he's not everyones cup of tea.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:58 AM

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nickel7168 wrote: Valentine is, and always has been, a despicable person.  I hated the way he treated the players when he was with the Mets and I told my Red Sox buddy back in March that they would quickly come to despise this guy...it didn't take long.
despicable?  isn't that a little strong?
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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:24 AM

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I was a BV fan, but his behavior this season defied even BV's standards. This guy made Ozzie Guillen look tolerable. It's over for him.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:28 AM

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Lots of players love Valentine. He rubs divas the wrong way. Is that so bad? The Red Sox needed to dump all the guys who cost Francona his job last year. No manager was going to come in there and right the ship, the players had too much power. You can't expect to have control over that beer and chicken clubhouse when your players have a direct line to the owner's cell phone. Valentine is one of the smartest managers I've ever seen in the game. He can manage my team any day, and any player that has a problem with him will find himself traded in a heartbeat. What you'll end up with is more Mike Piazzas and Robin Venturas, and less Tom Glavines and Kevin Youkilises. I can live with that.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:32 AM

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nickel7168 wrote: Valentine is, and always has been, a despicable person.  I hated the way he treated the players when he was with the Mets and I told my Red Sox buddy back in March that they would quickly come to despise this guy...it didn't take long.

That despicable person still got us to our most recent WS appearance and he got the most out of his players when he managed here.  It's not like he had a team full of allstars either.  The Mets teams were fun to watch under him and who could forget the silly disguise he wore when he got tossed out of the game that one time.  He stood up to the umps alot unlike some of our most recent managers. 

I think he was setup for failure from the word go as a Redsox manager.  I still think he's a good manager, but I know he's not everyones cup of tea.

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I don't think Bobby is that stupid to fall for a set up. I think his desire to manage again in MLB overwhelmed his sense of finding the right fit. Boston wasn't the right fit....putting it mildly.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:27 AM

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I'll take a manager who gets the most out of his players albeit can sometimes come off as abrasive any day of the week. People tend to forget there wasn't much talent (and by talent I mean a team that didn't look like a WS contender on paper) on those '99 and '00 teams. Those teams overachieved big time IMO.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:30 AM

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Bobby's reaction to the drug issues that popped up during his final year sunk his boat. His press conference is seared into my brain like a bad movie. I still have the image of Steve Philips in the background with a WTH look.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:02 PM

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shhaggy wrote: Lots of players love Valentine. He rubs divas the wrong way. Is that so bad? The Red Sox needed to dump all the guys who cost Francona his job last year. No manager was going to come in there and right the ship, the players had too much power. You can't expect to have control over that beer and chicken clubhouse when your players have a direct line to the owner's cell phone. Valentine is one of the smartest managers I've ever seen in the game. He can manage my team any day, and any player that has a problem with him will find himself traded in a heartbeat. What you'll end up with is more Mike Piazzas and Robin Venturas, and less Tom Glavines and Kevin Youkilises. I can live with that.
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As it was stated earlier, I liked Booby V. when he was here, but I wouldn't want him back NOW ... even if he still is one of the best game-time managers around.

This does seem like a case of the game passing by someone (and that's odd saying about someone who I remember seeing play as a kid,) in terms of handling his players. Bobby V. did himself no favors from the first day in terms of that.

That said, I do find it despicable that many of the same players who ran roughshod over Terry Francona and took advantage of his laid-back style were the ones whining about how Bobby V. hurt their feelings; hey, morons, you brought that upon yourselves.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:08 PM

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HadronsAtHome wrote:
shhaggy wrote: Lots of players love Valentine. He rubs divas the wrong way. Is that so bad? The Red Sox needed to dump all the guys who cost Francona his job last year. No manager was going to come in there and right the ship, the players had too much power. You can't expect to have control over that beer and chicken clubhouse when your players have a direct line to the owner's cell phone. Valentine is one of the smartest managers I've ever seen in the game. He can manage my team any day, and any player that has a problem with him will find himself traded in a heartbeat. What you'll end up with is more Mike Piazzas and Robin Venturas, and less Tom Glavines and Kevin Youkilises. I can live with that.
+1

As it was stated earlier, I liked Booby V. when he was here, but I wouldn't want him back NOW ... even if he still is one of the best game-time managers around.

This does seem like a case of the game passing by someone (and that's odd saying about someone who I remember seeing play as a kid,) in terms of handling his players. Bobby V. did himself no favors from the first day in terms of that.

That said, I do find it despicable that many of the same players who ran roughshod over Terry Francona and took advantage of his laid-back style were the ones whining about how Bobby V. hurt their feelings; hey, morons, you brought that upon yourselves.
I'm not exactly sure what went wrong in Boston but it seems like there were some individual players there (Beckett) who thought that once you sign a big contract you can do as you please. Now maybe he always had that mentality, but that's his fault. There's nothing wrong with the expectation that these hugely rewarded players should be focused 100% into the game for those 3 hours. From the moment they arrive to the ballpark the focus should be on work and preparation for the game. Once they leave the stadium they are on their own time. I can understand how starting pitchers can slack off a little if it's their days off but that does not mean you gourge on chicken fingers and beers during the game. Beckett was a malcontent with talent. Bobby would likely have been better suited to Seattle. His desire to manage overwhelmed his desire to find the right fit. I guess being out of MLB baseball all those years played a part in his decision to take on a less than desirable situation.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:14 PM

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yeah, yeah, all the Bobby V. lovers have excuses for him




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Last edited 10/5/2012 7:15 PM by nickel7168

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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:20 PM

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Tnyjets2047 wrote: I'll take a manager who gets the most out of his players albeit can sometimes come off as abrasive any day of the week. People tend to forget there wasn't much talent (and by talent I mean a team that didn't look like a WS contender on paper) on those '99 and '00 teams. Those teams overachieved big time IMO.
The '99 team had a lot of talent from an offensive and defensive perspective.  Much more then the '00 team which made the WS the next year IMO.  The '00 had much better pitching and had the luxury of not playing the Braves in the NLCS.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 12:06 PM

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nickel7168 wrote: yeah, yeah, all the Bobby V. lovers have excuses for him
And all the Bobby V haters will always heap every problem on his back. Look, if Bobby V was the problem, then why are so many big names gone from the Red Sox right now? You think he had the power to jettison all those players? And if he did, why is he now fired? That clubhouse was a mess and he never had the power to get it under control, because players had direct lines to go over his head. You can't cut out a manager's legs from under him and expect him to succeed. It will never work. A manager has to be able to piss off his players with a decision or a disciplinary action or a motivational tool and not have them ignore him or worse, go over his head.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 12:08 PM

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EddyBarzoon wrote:


I don't think Bobby is that stupid to fall for a set up. I think his desire to manage again in MLB overwhelmed his sense of finding the right fit. Boston wasn't the right fit....putting it mildly.
Which is weird, because he took himself out of the Miami running for this job. I feel like Boston and Miami would both be better off if they'd swapped managers.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 12:54 PM

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That was quick...

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Posted: 10/12/2012 3:05 PM

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I never liked Bobby Me.  I think he got way too much credit and still does for what were very talented Mets teams in the late 90s and 2000.  As the talent faded his "great" managing abilities seemed to fade with it.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 3:13 PM

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Plenty of blame to go around here on both sides. Bobby V showed some obvious lack of adaptability, and major blame to the Red Sox players who whined about him, when just the previous year walked all over a manager who actually treated them like men. Unless he goes back to Japan, he'll never manage again. The way he obviously threw in the towel towards the end, and some of his bizzare statements and press conferences burned any remaining bridges he has.

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