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Rubin: Entire Mets Coaching Staff to Return in 2013

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Posted: 10/1/2012 5:06 PM

Rubin: Entire Mets Coaching Staff to Return in 2013 


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Mets coaching staff to return for 2013

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By Adam Rubin | ESPNNewYork.com MIAMI -- Terry Collins' entire staff will return for next season, the manager announced before Monday's series opener against the Marlins. Pitching coach Dan Warthen is the longest-tenured member of the staff, having ascended from Triple-A when Willie Randolph as well as Rick Peterson were axed in the 3 a.m. ET firing back in 2008. Hitting coach Dave Hudgens is completing his second season. Bench coach Bob Geren, third base coach Tim Teufel, first base coach Tom Goodwin and bullpen coach Ricky Bones all were in their first year on the staff. "I like this organization. I'd like to finish my career in this organization," Warthen said. "I'm very happy where we are as far as our young arms coming up. I think there's a great deal of future -- a good future. ... With the [Zack] Wheelers and some of the guys we're seeing right now, I think that we have a very bright future. And I'm glad to be a part of that. ... [Matt] Harvey pitched better here than he did in the minor leagues. So I think there's some very positive, wonderful things happening there. I'm anxious to see a little more of Zack Wheeler. I've only seen go to the mound and compete one time in my life up close and live." Warthen said he was least confident he would remain pitching coach after the 2010 season, which was Jerry Manuel's final year as manager. "I thought we were miserable in 2010," Warthen said. "I just thought everything was as bad as you could imagine. I thought we were walking people. I didn't think we were executing pitches. And I was disappointed in the pitchers and I was disappointed in myself that I couldn't get more out of the pitchers. "Just the opposite, I think I've done one of my best jobs ever this year. I think I've gotten better because I've learned more. I think I know the league better. I know the guys more, and I know what I think they can do."

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Posted: 10/1/2012 5:21 PM

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Mets coaching staff to return for 2013

October, 1, 2012
Oct 1
4:44
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By Adam Rubin | ESPNNewYork.com MIAMI -- Terry Collins' entire staff will return for next season, the manager announced before Monday's series opener against the Marlins. Pitching coach Dan Warthen is the longest-tenured member of the staff, having ascended from Triple-A when Willie Randolph as well as Rick Peterson were axed in the 3 a.m. ET firing back in 2008. Hitting coach Dave Hudgens is completing his second season. Bench coach Bob Geren, third base coach Tim Teufel, first base coach Tom Goodwin and bullpen coach Ricky Bones all were in their first year on the staff. "I like this organization. I'd like to finish my career in this organization," Warthen said. "I'm very happy where we are as far as our young arms coming up. I think there's a great deal of future -- a good future. ... With the [Zack] Wheelers and some of the guys we're seeing right now, I think that we have a very bright future. And I'm glad to be a part of that. ... [Matt] Harvey pitched better here than he did in the minor leagues. So I think there's some very positive, wonderful things happening there. I'm anxious to see a little more of Zack Wheeler. I've only seen go to the mound and compete one time in my life up close and live." Warthen said he was least confident he would remain pitching coach after the 2010 season, which was Jerry Manuel's final year as manager. "I thought we were miserable in 2010," Warthen said. "I just thought everything was as bad as you could imagine. I thought we were walking people. I didn't think we were executing pitches. And I was disappointed in the pitchers and I was disappointed in myself that I couldn't get more out of the pitchers. "Just the opposite, I think I've done one of my best jobs ever this year. I think I've gotten better because I've learned more. I think I know the league better. I know the guys more, and I know what I think they can do."
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Posted: 10/1/2012 5:33 PM

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Wally won't manage in Las Vegas, and I doubt he would go back to Binghamton. So it would seem either he goes to the front office or leaves the organization.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 6:13 PM

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I've never understood the Wally love.  He seems to be our Ryne Sandberg: the guy the fans want to manage, but the powers that be never seem fit. 

Has he shown a sharp managerial mind down in the minors?  Serious question; no snark.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 6:27 PM

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I think that the coaching staff has been fine, so I'm OK with this.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 6:41 PM

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RSVandy wrote: I think that the coaching staff has been fine, so I'm OK with this.
Warthen has been getting absolutely crucified from the day he was hired by OM... It's pretty clear now that SA seems to be a fan of his... Now everybody is OK w/ Warthen now?
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Posted: 10/1/2012 6:47 PM

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RSVandy wrote: I think that the coaching staff has been fine, so I'm OK with this.
Warthen has been getting absolutely crucified from the day he was hired by OM... It's pretty clear now that SA seems to be a fan of his... Now everybody is OK w/ Warthen now?

I'd still like to see him replaced.  I think he's proven to be at least somewhat competent, but I still don't think he's a difference-maker like Dave Duncan, Mike Maddox, and Don Cooper have proven to be.  

With the proven impact pitching coaches can have, I'd strive for a difference-maker in that role, not just a guy who might not be a liability.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 6:50 PM

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Gstacks177 wrote:
RSVandy wrote: I think that the coaching staff has been fine, so I'm OK with this.
Warthen has been getting absolutely crucified from the day he was hired by OM... It's pretty clear now that SA seems to be a fan of his... Now everybody is OK w/ Warthen now?
I don't think that I've ever said anything about Warthen. I don't really place too much blame on pitching coaches to begin with.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 6:52 PM

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DocK16 wrote:
Gstacks177 wrote:
RSVandy wrote: I think that the coaching staff has been fine, so I'm OK with this.
Warthen has been getting absolutely crucified from the day he was hired by OM... It's pretty clear now that SA seems to be a fan of his... Now everybody is OK w/ Warthen now?

I'd still like to see him replaced.  I think he's proven to be at least somewhat competent, but I still don't think he's a difference-maker like Dave Duncan, Mike Maddox, and Don Cooper have proven to be.  

With the proven impact pitching coaches can have, I'd strive for a difference-maker in that role, not just a guy who might not be a liability.
I think that's reasonable. Maybe if the rare difference maker is available, then they should get rid of Warthen. Otherwise, I don't think that some other random pitching coach is going to make much of a difference.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:51 PM

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I have no expectations for even being in the hunt for a playoff spot next year. Worst time to be a Mets fan.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:54 PM

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Good God I hate this front office. Nothing says complacency like announcing before the season is even over, a season that was a complete second half meltdown, that nothing is going to change. I'm not even annoyed that they're bringing everyone back, but why the public announcement? This just acknowledges to the world: "we suck and we don't care".
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Posted: 10/1/2012 9:22 PM

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Halfmiler2 wrote: Wally won't manage in Las Vegas, and I doubt he would go back to Binghamton. So it would seem either he goes to the front office or leaves the organization.
What is his issue with Vegas and or Binghamton?

What could he do in the FO? 

I dont think there are a lot of organizations lining up to snag him.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 9:28 PM

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Gstacks177 wrote:
RSVandy wrote: I think that the coaching staff has been fine, so I'm OK with this.
Warthen has been getting absolutely crucified from the day he was hired by OM... It's pretty clear now that SA seems to be a fan of his... Now everybody is OK w/ Warthen now?
Not me. 

I still like to see a pitching coach that guys appear to learn from.  Think there's plenty of going out and "letting it fly" on their own accord.  Too much, the past few years - in fact.

Could only imagine what some of these guys might accomplish with someone other than Warthen as their pitching instructor.  But that's just me.

Having a legitimate Major League catcher behind the dish doesn't hurt, either.

Not thrilled to hear that the entire staff will be back.  Then again, I didn't expect them to switch it up much, considering Collins is already being paid for 2013...."may as well keep his staff in tact".  noidea

.......they'll all go when he ultimately gets fired, anyway.

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Posted: 10/1/2012 10:06 PM

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As long as Johan, Dickey, and even Young are on this team.  Warthen's effect can stay neutral.

Also they can't stop other terams from giving them promotions.  This is more towards Melvin and even Bones
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Posted: 10/2/2012 5:48 AM

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Gosh I hope Collins and warthen are on a short leash next year.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:44 AM

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Pretty neutral towards the entire coaching staff.
Basically, don´t think that the effect has been significant for better or worse.
Maybe Harvey doing better up here than at AAA could help Warthen´s case a bit. However, it´s merely a 10 start sample size.
Gee & Niese have developed nicely though, one has to say and have become more successful up in the majors than in the minors.
So, except for failing to get Pelfrey really untracked, Warthen has done alright with the SP overall.
Oliver Perez was a lost cause. And John Maine was already not 100 % anymore when Warthen took over, so he can hardly be blamed for that breakdown.
Still, the bullpen has been an issue for Warthen´s entire tenure. Not sure he has done a good job with them mostly.

Since there was a significant turnover last winter, maybe the FO wanted some stability here with a generally young team and more expected turnover. Who knows.
Certainly, expectations will be higher next year and I can´t see how another 75 win-season will make anyone happy.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:38 AM

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The problem with this team is obviously a lack of talent.  Everyone knows it, so it would be pretty low for them to start firing coaches.  I think the team was about what most expected at the beginning of the year, although expectations did temporarily increase with the good first half.  They could/maybe should have been a 78-80 win team, and they fell just short of that.

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Posted: 10/2/2012 11:53 AM

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It's strange how they played so well in the first half and then from the moment they returned from the ASB they just went into the tank. I can't remember such extremes from first half to 2nd half. The Mets have had their share of collapses but this one smelled funny because it started exactly upon return from break. I don't kow if these guys lost mental focus or what buts its odd that it began right after returning. While the players take a hit, the coaches should as well. Someone didn't cue these guys in that the season isn't 81 games. Also the fact that Collins himself was questioning the idea if his players quit is not a good reflection on him. He harped on the idea that it would not be tolerated and would not happen. A few weeks later he was wondering if it had?

Collins should be on a short leash next year. All the coaches should be on notice.

My feeling is if we are going to be another 70-75 win team next year, bring in Backman and Ojeda. Give the guy a shot.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 11:59 AM

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My feeling is if we are going to be another 70-75 win team next year, bring in Backman and Ojeda. Give the guy a shot.


Ojeda?!  I don't see that happening at all... nor for Backman, frankly.  If they make a change I hope they go with a younger guy (the Matheny or Ventura route)... maybe Ausmus or McEwing or heck, anyone from Joe Maddon's staff.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:56 PM

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My feeling is if we are going to be another 70-75 win team next year, bring in Backman and Ojeda. Give the guy a shot.


Ojeda?!  I don't see that happening at all... nor for Backman, frankly.  If they make a change I hope they go with a younger guy (the Matheny or Ventura route)... maybe Ausmus or McEwing or heck, anyone from Joe Maddon's staff.

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Ojeda was at times angry with how these guys were performing. He was also emotional. I also find him to be very on target and in tune with his critiques. He was part of a special time in this organizations history. So I ask, why not Ojeda?
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