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David Wright's contract: good or bad?

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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:41 AM

David Wright's contract: good or bad? 


Obviously, his woeful season is fully in our sights now.  What is the overall opinion here of the contract we gave him?  You have to think he'll bounce back somewhat once the shoulder heals, but he's also getting older.  Is David Wright's contract good or bad on a cost-basis?  Did we further hamper our rebuild by extending him the way we did?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:54 AM

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Much too soon to say.  He could have a great bounce back season next year.  Who knows?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:55 AM

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Based on the data I pulled in the other thread, I get something along the lines of 6/$61M in value vs 6/$107M in costs.

That surely isn't a good contract but considering that most long-term deals for 30+ year olds are under water [especially after the first few years], I'm sure there is a substantial list of deals projected to be worse...
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:56 AM

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And as Omni says, if he has a bounce back, like 4+ win, year next year, if I were to rerun a data set looking for players with elite three year runs, a down year and then a bounce back, then I'm fairly sure it'd put the remainder of the deal in much better light.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 10:31 AM

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If the deal is measured in the harsh light that so many use when evaluating contracts, the deal is a nightmare.   He  doesn't appear to be an All Star caliber player anymore.

However, I always take the angle that quality players are hard to come by and if you can get the the player to live up to expectations for half the contract then you have to be happy with it.   Free agents rarely are worth it for 5+ yrs but it is almost impossible to win without gambling on free agent players.   The system that allows you pay a guy like Wheeler 500k while he is pitching like a #2 starter requires that you over pay your stars when they get older.

David Wright and his contract aren't the problem.  Ownership is.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 10:44 AM

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It's an awful contract considering the Wilpons have so little to spend. He should have traded off before being the payroll is too low for one guynto tie up this much cash.

Then we have streaky, aging, no-arm Grandy which was another moronic signing which ties up money.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:21 PM

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Was one of the best players in the game last year. Has been essentially league average this year. Based on his track record and what similar or inferior players have received in recent yrs it was a good signing. To early to judge how it will play out though
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:29 PM

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It hurts my opinion on the contract that we have other viable third base options.  Especially when you see Dilson coming up and Murphy at third would probably be the best case scenario.  That's not including opening up a position for Wilmer.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:30 PM

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Can only be fairly evaluated after year 4 or 5.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:33 PM

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It's kind of early. The Mets need at least one legacy player, but hopefully it isn't someone who is washed up at the age of 31 when he stops using HGH.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:02 PM

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I think it was a fair contract when it was signed. Not great, not terrible. Wright has underperformed this year, so it looks like the outcome is likely to be negative. If he were overperforming this year, the final outcome would likely be positive. If he had performed as expected, the likely outcome would be okay. This is how it goes. Evaluating a deal less than 1 year in makes little sense. Reevaluating it is fine and all, but we'll reevaluate it again at the end of next season.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:27 PM

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RSVandy wrote: It's kind of early. The Mets need at least one legacy player, but hopefully it isn't someone who is washed up at the age of 31 when he stops using HGH.


With all that money, he should be able to locate another vendor.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:32 PM

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Step 1: Take HGH
Step 2: ??
Step 3: Profit!
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:17 PM

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I hate to tell you "I told you so" (well, I really don't) but I told you so.
Its bad.
And I have been telling you so, at least a few times a year, for the past few years.
I haven't been very thrilled that he has been the face of the franchise.
As Casey Stengel used to say, "You could look it up".

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"You spend a good part of your life gripping the baseball, and in the end it turns out it was the other way around all the time." Jim Bouton
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:08 AM

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Too early. David has been solid his entire career and got an enormous contract based on that. I'll cast this season off to an aberration and hope he bounces back. I'd hate to think it's going to continue.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 3:54 AM

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Where is this kind of thinking when we discuss any kind of mega signing?  Nobody cares until they're wrong, then they want to blame the team for doing exactly what almost everyone wanted.

I hope to revisit this thread next off-season when everyone is ready to throw $100M+ at every available big name.  We all love spending money until it's painfully obvious it's been poorly spent, and then the solution is finger pointing and more spending.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 3:54 AM

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NewMFS62 wrote: I hate to tell you "I told you so" (well, I really don't) but I told you so.
Its bad.
And I have been telling you so, at least a few times a year, for the past few years.
I haven't been very thrilled that he has been the face of the franchise.
As Casey Stengel used to say, "You could look it up".

Later
What exactly was this based on. Believe me I've been hard on Wright, but the guy was a terrific player until this year, your probably the only person in the world who thought DW would not be worth his contract this year. He's been awful, he's been horrifying and has cost us any chance at contending, which kills me. But you have to think theres an outside shot he has a good 15', he's only gonna be 32 for crying out loud!
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:11 AM

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OK, I'll look it up. We had a ~1000 post thread on signing Wright... MFS' comment:

"Stop this nonsense.
The new TV contract will give every major league team $10 million more per year than they are currently receiving.
Of course they will have the money.
This is all BS and a yard wide.
Sign him, and Dickey, too."

Yeah... you told us.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:46 AM

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erosen wrote: OK, I'll look it up. We had a ~1000 post thread on signing Wright... MFS' comment:

"Stop this nonsense.
The new TV contract will give every major league team $10 million more per year than they are currently receiving.
Of course they will have the money.
This is all BS and a yard wide.
Sign him, and Dickey, too."

Yeah... you told us.
I was commenting about whether or not the team had the money. I said they could sign him, not that they should. I still didn't think he was worth it. And that was... how many years ago?
What about my posts since then? I've said countless times that he doesn't deliver in key situations, both at bat and in the field. I've also said that he is not the kind of player who can put the team on his back and carry it for long stretches of time when nobody else is performing well. I posted about how his 10 and 5 status was rapidly approaching and recommended dealing him while they could. You could look up those comments, too.

We know you're a better researcher than that. 

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"You spend a good part of your life gripping the baseball, and in the end it turns out it was the other way around all the time." Jim Bouton

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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:14 AM

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But in the thread about signing him your only comment was "You have the money. Do it."

If you felt so strongly that it was a bad move, enough that years later you tell us to "look it up", I expected some kind of anti-Wright-signing post in the one key thread on the subject.
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