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Alderson: Extended Through 2017 (+ Option for 2018)

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Posted: 8/7/2014 3:13 PM

Alderson: Extended Through 2017 (+ Option for 2018) 


From Lennon (excerpt):

"When I jokingly mentioned the omission to Alderson before last night's game at Nationals Park, he laughed. A few years back, maybe the former Selig lieutenant would have campaigned for the gig. Perhaps Major League Baseball's owners could have benefited from having the hawkish Alderson -- as a wartime consigliere -- for the upcoming labor negotiations in 2016.

But Alderson has a job now, presumably one he enjoys, and the impression here is that it should be only a matter of weeks before some kind of extension is announced. Alderson's original four-year contract expires in October. But he has an option for 2015, and we've always believed the only way he is ever stripped of the GM title is if Alderson chooses to leave Flushing on his own.

Although that's always possible, Alderson sounded Wednesday like someone who wants to stay on to see the Mets become a legitimate contender again -- and that won't be accomplished by the end of this season.
"The goal is to have a winning team, and a playoff-qualifying team," said Alderson, who refused to comment about his contract status."

Read more at:

www.newsday.com/sports/columni...-done-1.8984585

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

Last edited 9/23/2014 10:07 AM by Walnutz15

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Posted: 8/7/2014 3:48 PM

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Assuming the extension is a foregone conclusion, I wonder if there's a sense of urgency from the Mets to announce it sooner rather than later...  Announcing it now makes it look like Sandy is being rewarded for some of the modest improvement we've seen over the last month or so.  I think a lot of fans would accept that.  If they wait until the offseason, fans will only look at the final W/L and be angry that he is being rewarded for what is likely to be another mid-70's win season....
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Posted: 8/7/2014 4:12 PM

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Lock him up. I think his WAR as a GM is even higher than DePodesta's. We need a gangster to do absolute bank robber trades like Sandy did with San Fran and Toronto. I'm not sure if PDP would have pulled off either of those trades.

Sandy is just the perfect blend of Sabermetrics/Moneyball and being a tenacious negotiator. I don't want to go so far into the Realm of Spreadsheets that we sacrifice the latter.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 4:19 PM

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DanielWilliam wrote: Lock him up. I think his WAR as a GM is even higher than DePodesta's. We need a gangster to do absolute bank robber trades like Sandy did with San Fran and Toronto. I'm not sure if PDP would have pulled off either of those trades.

Sandy is just the perfect blend of Sabermetrics/Moneyball and being a tenacious negotiator. I don't want to go so far into the Realm of Spreadsheets that we sacrifice the latter.
Welcome back.wink
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:15 PM

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Talk about setting the bar low.
The guy is averaging 75 wins in 4 years.

It's utterly amazing how the bar has been set so low for performance.

He can be held thru 2015 if the Mets want, which is the outer limits for contending in my mind.

At some point this stupid idea of getting "great return on veterans" has to stop if the end result is still 75 wins. What's so great about that the end of the day? Where's progress?

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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:15 PM

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Man I wish I could be the worst in the world at my job and not only have security, get an extension! Is Fred Wilpon smoking crack? He's been here 4 years and we are still years away from competing? What in gods name is justifying an extension for this d-bag? Heard it here first, if this loser gets an extension I'm done.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:22 PM

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spiritOF86 wrote: Man I wish I could be the worst in the world at my job and not only have security, get an extension! Is Fred Wilpon smoking crack? He's been here 4 years and we are still years away from competing? What in gods name is justifying an extension for this d-bag? Heard it here first, if this loser gets an extension I'm done.
The team already has the option for 2015 if they want. And really, 2015 is the outer limits where you expected to see a turn around. I just can't believe they are entertaining this thought. Mind blowing. He's averaging 75 wins!! and the W-L needle hasn't budged...even as of today.

Extension!!?? Don't talk about---Extension??!! Extension??!! I just hope we can win a game!! Another game!!
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:26 PM

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Well that sounds like a terrible idea. Exercise the option, play out the 2015 season, then make a decision on sandy and terry. They have to improve. Otherwise, the door.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:36 PM

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throughthewickets wrote: Well that sounds like a terrible idea. Exercise the option, play out the 2015 season, then make a decision on sandy and terry. They have to improve. Otherwise, the door.
4 awful seasons? How much longer can you give the guy. Same goes for Collins. Team needs new blood, neither of these old bags will ever have a team in the playoffs, that's a fact. I admire Sandy, he's a smart guy, he's be great at running a pizzeria. He is over his head right now being the general manager of a baseball team, simple as that. As far as Terry, I have no problem keeping him around just not as the manager, for the simple fact that he's a nice guy, which has got him this far. Maybe he can be the guy the fans dunk in the water out in center field or something.

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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:39 PM

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I would hand Sandy Alderson the proverbial blank check, let him fill in the zeros, etc. Seriously, though, I'd sign him to another four year deal today if he'd accept. We haven't had this much baseball acumen in Flushing since Cashen left. He's possibly even better than Cashen. Sign him to an extension.. YESTERDAY.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:40 PM

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One of only a couple of teams to have losing seasons the last 5 straight years.  If it's not the GM's fault, then it has to be the managers fault.  Someone has to go.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:42 PM

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I think that if the Mets are going to be a low budget team then they may need someone like Billy Beane who seems to be willing to take risks because of their awful payroll situation. Alderson could be fine if the budget is going up to $120 million or so soon.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:46 PM

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RSVandy wrote: I think that if the Mets are going to be a low budget team then they may need someone like Billy Beane who seems to be willing to take risks because of their awful payroll situation. Alderson could be fine if the budget is going up to $120 million or so soon.


To that point, I'd be surprised if Alderson signed an extension without some sort of understanding on payroll.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:47 PM

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Believe it or not, I would extend him.

Its been a very long road back and he hasn't done a great job, but I would rather see him and most importantly PDP stick around then start over elsewhere.

The overall franchise is in much better (but not great) shape and I think he deserves a 3 yr extension to see where he takes this.

If nothing else, he is a complete p---k for other teams to deal with when making deals.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:50 PM

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oct271986 wrote: Believe it or not, I would extend him.

Its been a very long road back and he hasn't done a great job, but I would rather see him and most importantly PDP stick around then start over elsewhere.

The overall franchise is in much better (but not great) shape and I think he deserves a 3 yr extension to see where he takes this.

If nothing else, he is a complete p---k for other teams to deal with when making deals.

And... who are we going to get to be our GM with a $80 million payroll that is better than Sandy Alderson?  If the Wilpons plan on upping the payroll, then all the more reason to keep him.  But if it's dump Sandy just to replace him with someone who's desperate for a GM gig, I'll pass, regardless of how I feel about Alderson's W-L record.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:54 PM

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FIFAstar79 wrote:
RSVandy wrote: I think that if the Mets are going to be a low budget team then they may need someone like Billy Beane who seems to be willing to take risks because of their awful payroll situation. Alderson could be fine if the budget is going up to $120 million or so soon.


To that point, I'd be surprised if Alderson signed an extension without some sort of understanding on payroll.
What else is he going to do? The guy hardly has any leverage in the MLB world right now. The last time he fielded a team that wasn't a joke Seinfeld wasn't even on the air yet.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:59 PM

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Since there's no great urgency to sign a deal immediately, I'd take a page from the screenplay Glengarry Glen Ross.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glengarry_Glen_Ross_( film)

I'd put Sandy, PDA and JP Ricciardi (he IS still with the FO, isn't he?) in a room and tell them that the person who comes up with the idea for the best move to improve the team (this year or next ONLY) gets to keep his job. And that move must be implemented by August 31.

I'm only partially joking about this.

Later
"You spend a good part of your life gripping the baseball, and in the end it turns out it was the other way around all the time." Jim Bouton

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Posted: 8/7/2014 6:01 PM

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spiritOF86 wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote:
RSVandy wrote: I think that if the Mets are going to be a low budget team then they may need someone like Billy Beane who seems to be willing to take risks because of their awful payroll situation. Alderson could be fine if the budget is going up to $120 million or so soon.


To that point, I'd be surprised if Alderson signed an extension without some sort of understanding on payroll.
What else is he going to do? The guy hardly has any leverage in the MLB world right now. The last time he fielded a team that wasn't a joke Seinfeld wasn't even on the air yet.

You've gotta be kidding.  He'd have another GM gig before the 2014 World Series started if the Mets fired him today.  For that matter, who do you suggest we hire that's going to take the job with Freddy Coupon, the owner wielding a $85 million payroll?
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Posted: 8/7/2014 6:17 PM

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your choices are basically Alderson or John Ricco-contract guy/Wilpon puppet. Hmmmm.....mmmm......hmmmmm.....I'll take the guy without the strings.

Here's where I sit on all this.........the Mets history is marked by mostly short bursts of success followed by extended periods of futility. Yes the past 4 have been losing seasons, but if, and I realize it's a big word....but if those 4 years were spent to better fortify the chances of a turnaround having some lasting power then I'm willing to stick it out a little longer. Quick fix guys don't last and that's all we've had under the current regime. Sandy has added substance to the organization....a pipeline of talent that in theory should fortify the roster for years to come.

Now the man is not without fault........and it could be his downfall if he does not do a better job of free agent acquisition. You can't win with the farm alone in the modern era of free agency. I want to see what he can do with some money this offseason.

Now I say this even knowing the real possibility that he could bring back Collins next season. I believe more informed minds of the Met fans see him for his limitations that other talking heads do not because they do not watch on a daily basis. That said, all anyone has done for Terry is make excuses.......so there isn't exactly a lynch mob huddling in Sandy's office. I am hoping that Sandy sees the need for a new voice/direction.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 6:20 PM

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oct271986 wrote: Believe it or not, I would extend him.

Its been a very long road back....

Long road back? Back to what? They haven't put up a record that beats any other year other than the injury plagued 2009 season. Every season under his wing hasn't matched what was done before. ~75 wins. What exactly is "back"?.....and when does it ever become about winning? If signing Sandy is some plan because there is no payroll, the idea is to sell off veterans and not sign guys who we have developed and to continue on the W-L path we have seen 4 years in a row..... If the idea is for someone to garbage pick CYoung type signings and not fill gaping wounds like SS (which was the #1 priority this past season)..... By all means, sign Sandy.rolleyes

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