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Sherman: The Mets can take ownership of NY from the Yanks

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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:13 AM

Sherman: The Mets can take ownership of NY from the Yanks 


It's a slow week, so, I guess Sherman takes to drinking at times like these.

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But the pitching is deep and promising in the majors, minors and with Matt Harvey readying to return in 2015. The hitting, too, is getting better at multiple levels. The Yanks spent a couple hundred million dollars to infuse their offense last offseason, yet are averaging the same 4.0 runs per game as the Mets.

Suddenly, Travis d’Arnaud and Lucas Duda look like part of a solution and the Mets actually are getting out of Yankees refugee Curtis Granderson what the Yankees are not getting out of Mets alum Beltran. When in the name of David Cone, Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry has that ever happened? The third-place hitter for the AL All-Stars Tuesday night has been the Yanks’ best hitter in recent vintage. But Robinson Cano is now a Mariner. The New York second baseman in the All-Star Game is Daniel Murphy.

We will see if the Mets translate a wave of good vibes and strong possibilities into a positive era. We will see if the Yankees can once more find a way to outperform their problems and stay contenders, as always.

But at the break point of the 2014 season, it is not far-fetched to believe New York can be a National League city again. The Mets are at the portal once more. What will they do this time?

http://nypost.com/2014/07/14/t...anks-right-now/

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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:29 AM

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I will say the fact the Yankees are averaging the same number of runs per game, whilst playing half their games in that bandbox AND having a DH, boggles the mind.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:33 AM

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Also with Jeter retiring the Yanks are losing a big part of their identity ... the Yanks always had their share of mercenaries, but they always had home-grown stars who matched the stature of those hired-guns so that mitigated things, but next year the Yanks will have the feel of a team made up of contractors.

RIP WIC 2005-2008

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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:33 AM

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FIFAstar79 wrote: I will say the fact the Yankees are averaging the same number of runs per game, whilst playing half their games in that bandbox AND having a DH, boggles the mind.
Yes. But they have Jeter, and he makes everyone around him better. (I was laughing so hard I could barely finish typing that)

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"You spend a good part of your life gripping the baseball, and in the end it turns out it was the other way around all the time." Jim Bouton
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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:44 AM

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NewMFS62 wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote: I will say the fact the Yankees are averaging the same number of runs per game, whilst playing half their games in that bandbox AND having a DH, boggles the mind.
Yes. But they have Jeter, and he makes everyone around him better. (I was laughing so hard I could barely finish typing that)

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There's a nasty rumor going around that you were one of the blurred-out Met "extras" in Jeter's Nike Commercial tribute, MFS - tipping his cap. 

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:47 AM

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Walnutz15 wrote:
NewMFS62 wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote: I will say the fact the Yankees are averaging the same number of runs per game, whilst playing half their games in that bandbox AND having a DH, boggles the mind.
Yes. But they have Jeter, and he makes everyone around him better. (I was laughing so hard I could barely finish typing that)

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There's a nasty rumor going around that you were one of the blurred-out Met "extras" in Jeter's Nike Commercial tribute, MFS - tipping his cap. 
No, and before you go there, I don't have one of his gift bags, either. eek

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"You spend a good part of your life gripping the baseball, and in the end it turns out it was the other way around all the time." Jim Bouton
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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:47 AM

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This article is jumping the gun a little (to put it mildly), but I do think the 20 year run of Yankee contention is finally coming to an end. With the way mid-market teams are extending their stars,   nowadays having the deepest pockets can only get you so far.

If/when that down year comes, their attendance/revenues are going to a bigger hit than most people realize.

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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:54 AM

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I really don't understand how that is humanly possible: to spend that much, play in that bandbox with a DH and still only manage the same number of runs as the Mets.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:56 AM

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Does Maize still post here?  If I were a Yankees fan it would drive me nuts right about now that they didn't re-sign Cano at any cost.  I would have wanted that and then sign whomever else.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:27 AM

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NewMFS62 wrote:
Walnutz15 wrote:
NewMFS62 wrote:
FIFAstar79 wrote: I will say the fact the Yankees are averaging the same number of runs per game, whilst playing half their games in that bandbox AND having a DH, boggles the mind.
Yes. But they have Jeter, and he makes everyone around him better. (I was laughing so hard I could barely finish typing that)

Later
There's a nasty rumor going around that you were one of the blurred-out Met "extras" in Jeter's Nike Commercial tribute, MFS - tipping his cap. 
No, and before you go there, I don't have one of his gift bags, either. eek

Later
RE2PECT: pronounced "RE-TWO-PECT"

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:39 AM

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FIFAstar79 wrote: I really don't understand how that is humanly possible: to spend that much, play in that bandbox with a DH and still only manage the same number of runs as the Mets.
My theory is that the decline of the use of PEDs, or least less effective ones, has shortened player primes significantly.  If this is true, 7 year deals to free agents can really hurt.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:41 AM

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The Yanks have been in a decline. This is nothing new.

The problem is, Mets ownership refuses to either commit to building a winner or sell. The rebuild has gone well. There is more talented youth, especially on the mound, than there has been in this organization in a long time. But there is no plan to allocate revenues into building a winner. Top 10 in ticket price, bottom 10 in payroll.

The Mets could have built a sustained winner, and take the city back from the Yankees. They even could do it now, with the youth and depth in the organization. But barring a sale, it won't happen. We'll hear the same PR from Fred, Jeff, Saul, and Jay, the same song-and-dance about how the team does not face financial limitations. And the team will have the same eight-figure payroll next year, with maybe one high-visibility past-his-prime signing to try to pull the wool over the eyes of a fan base whose intelligence ownership continues to insult, acting like bringing in a guy who was good 5 years ago is a real sign of ownership's commitment to building a winner. The disdain the Wilpons hold for this fan base is disgusting.

The worst part is, a guy like David Wright comes along once in a generation. How often does a franchise have a guy like this? A perennial all-star, home grown, committed to staying in the organization for his entire career, signs a deal that probably left significant money on the table from what he would have gotten in the open market. He's the kind of guy you can build a championship team around. And it will never happen.

At least not if the Wilpons keep the team.

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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:48 AM

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SackExchange wrote: The Yanks have been in a decline. This is nothing new.

The problem is, Mets ownership refuses to either commit to building a winner or sell. The rebuild has gone well. There is more talented youth, especially on the mound, than there has been in this organization in a long time. But there is no plan to allocate revenues into building a winner. Top 10 in ticket price, bottom 10 in payroll.

The Mets could have built a sustained winner, and take the city back from the Yankees. They even could do it now, with the youth and depth in the organization. But barring a sale, it won't happen. We'll hear the same PR from Fred, Jeff, Saul, and Jay, the same song-and-dance about how the team does not face financial limitations. And the team will have the same eight-figure payroll next year, with maybe one high-visibility past-his-prime signing to try to pull the wool over the eyes of a fan base whose intelligence ownership continues to insult, acting like bringing in a guy who was good 5 years ago is a real sign of ownership's commitment to building a winner. The disdain the Wilpons hold for this fan base is disgusting.

The worst part is, a guy like David Wright comes along once in a generation. How often does a franchise have a guy like this? A perennial all-star, home grown, committed to staying in the organization for his entire career, signs a deal that probably left significant money on the table from what he would have gotten in the open market. He's the kind of guy you can build a championship team around. And it will never happen.

At least not if the Wilpons keep the team.


I think our only other hope for fast change would be a minor surge in attendance for the last part of the season.  This would only happen if the Mets make it interesting.  Then, the Wilpons would have to be buffoons to not loosen the purse strings a bit.  They would easily make back what they invest.  Even a payroll of $100 million next season would make a huge difference.  We could probably make the playoffs.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:02 PM

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FIFAstar79 wrote:


I think our only other hope for fast change would be a minor surge in attendance for the last part of the season.  This would only happen if the Mets make it interesting.  Then, the Wilpons would have to be buffoons to not loosen the purse strings a bit.  They would easily make back what they invest.  Even a payroll of $100 million next season would make a huge difference.  We could probably make the playoffs.
I am fairly certain it has been established that the Wilpons are buffoons.

What this could come down to is a whizzing (better than tinkling, I suppose) match between the Wilpons and the fans. The fans won't come out in droves and spend money unless there's a commitment to winning. The Wilpons won't commit to winning unless the fans come out and raise revenue.

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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:03 PM

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70% of the article bashes the Mets while exalting the Yanks and 30% does the opposite.
Nice way to show your allegiances Joel.

David Wright is not the problem with this team.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:11 PM

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Sherman is not far off......though he is only looking at half the issue. Yes, the Yankees are ripe for the taking because Cashman has developed ZIPPO from the farm on his watch and spent gobs of family money for a less than desirable return.

Problem with the premise is not recognizing the challenges of ownership/money facing the Mets. What they do have going for them is a seemingly steady flow of prospects on the way. Homegrown talent that performs captures the fans' interest.....so that is the road to taking back the city. Let's hope ownership doesn't screw it up.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:21 PM

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SackExchange wrote: I am fairly certain it has been established that the Wilpons are buffoons.


They're pretty good at what they do, which is developing commercial real estate.  So, it stands to reason they would see a money-making opportunity when it arises.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:35 PM

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This article totally missed the point. Every year the Mets have the opportunity to take ownership of NY. All they have to do is put a great team on the field. They just don't do that consistently and that's why they have inconsistent attendance.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:50 PM

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Walnutz15 wrote:
 
RE2PECT: pronounced "RE-TWO-PECT"

They have that huge Nike billboard out front of Penn Station on 34th Street and 7th across from Macy's with that RETWOPECT ad on it.  Jesus, Mary, and St. Joseph! 

I take consolation in the fact that St. Derek's season/career will end on Sept 28. 

As for the Mets taking back NY, nothing would make me happier.  But Met ownership is a huge asterisk hanging over everything.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:51 PM

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throughthewickets wrote: This article totally missed the point. Every year the Mets have the opportunity to take ownership of NY. All they have to do is put a great team on the field. They just don't do that consistently and that's why they have inconsistent attendance.


Well, they needed to rebuild the farm system pretty badly.  It hadn't been done in 30 years or so.
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