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Jeffy: FA Prices "Scary" (Still Working Hard)

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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:09 PM

Jeffy: FA Prices "Scary" (Still Working Hard) 


Jeff Wilpon was among representatives from the Mets who were pitching in at a Garfield, NJ school for a service day a year after Superstorm Sandy and spoke about the team’s offseason outlook:

  • Wilpon said that the Mets are not handcuffed in any way in terms of payroll (Kerwick)
  • Named David Wright, Zack Wheeler, Dillon Gee and Jon Niese as the only players locked into their positions for 2014 (Ackert)
  • Team have expressed interest into trading for a first baseman from the Mets (Carig)
  • He is not worried about Matt Harvey rushing back from surgery (Kerwick)
  • The team did not make an offer on Jose Abreu (Kerwick), but said if he was a corner outfielder instead of a first baseman, it may have changed things (Carig) — Abreu signed a six-year, $68 million contract with the Chicago White Sox
  • Official radio announcement (reportedly with WOR) will come “any day” (Diamond)


http://metsblog.com/metsblog/j...mets-offseason/

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

Last edited 11/13/2013 12:16 PM by Walnutz15

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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:15 PM

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Walnutz15 wrote:

Jeff Wilpon was among representatives from the Mets who were pitching in at a Garfield, NJ school for a service day a year after Superstorm Sandy and spoke about the team’s offseason outlook:

  • Wilpon said that the Mets are not handcuffed in any way in terms of payroll (Kerwick)
  • Named David Wright, Zack Wheeler, Dillon Gee and Jon Niese as the only players locked into their positions for 2014 (Ackert)
  • Team have expressed interest into trading for a first baseman from the Mets (Carig)
  • He is not worried about Matt Harvey rushing back from surgery (Kerwick)
  • The team did not make an offer on Jose Abreu (Kerwick), but said if he was a corner outfielder instead of a first baseman, it may have changed things (Carig) — Abreu signed a six-year, $68 million contract with the Chicago White Sox
  • Official radio announcement (reportedly with WOR) will come “any day” (Diamond)


http://metsblog.com/metsblog/j...mets-offseason/
Assinine to day that about Abreu. They seem to be planning on going with Duda at first. If that's the case,  does anyone in this organization know how to scout? Duda stinks. He should NOT be the guy at 1st.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:17 PM

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metjetgal wrote:
Walnutz15 wrote:

Jeff Wilpon was among representatives from the Mets who were pitching in at a Garfield, NJ school for a service day a year after Superstorm Sandy and spoke about the team’s offseason outlook:

  • Wilpon said that the Mets are not handcuffed in any way in terms of payroll (Kerwick)
  • Named David Wright, Zack Wheeler, Dillon Gee and Jon Niese as the only players locked into their positions for 2014 (Ackert)
  • Team have expressed interest into trading for a first baseman from the Mets (Carig)
  • He is not worried about Matt Harvey rushing back from surgery (Kerwick)
  • The team did not make an offer on Jose Abreu (Kerwick), but said if he was a corner outfielder instead of a first baseman, it may have changed things (Carig) — Abreu signed a six-year, $68 million contract with the Chicago White Sox
  • Official radio announcement (reportedly with WOR) will come “any day” (Diamond)


http://metsblog.com/metsblog/j...mets-offseason/
Assinine to day that about Abreu. They seem to be planning on going with Duda at first. If that's the case,  does anyone in this organization know how to scout? Duda stinks. He should NOT be the guy at 1st.
See.  I just don't get how it is asinine to prioritize positions.  If we have reasonable 1B options in house at very reasonable prices and offensive black holes at SS and corner OF then how is it bad to focus on those positions?
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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:29 PM

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I think it should be five players and Murphy is the guy.

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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:29 PM

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Priorities are LF, RF, SS....

after that, 1B, SP, RP.

The top 3 have to be filled with acquisitions.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:32 PM

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roanokemetsfan wrote:
metjetgal wrote:
Walnutz15 wrote:

Jeff Wilpon was among representatives from the Mets who were pitching in at a Garfield, NJ school for a service day a year after Superstorm Sandy and spoke about the team’s offseason outlook:

  • Wilpon said that the Mets are not handcuffed in any way in terms of payroll (Kerwick)
  • Named David Wright, Zack Wheeler, Dillon Gee and Jon Niese as the only players locked into their positions for 2014 (Ackert)
  • Team have expressed interest into trading for a first baseman from the Mets (Carig)
  • He is not worried about Matt Harvey rushing back from surgery (Kerwick)
  • The team did not make an offer on Jose Abreu (Kerwick), but said if he was a corner outfielder instead of a first baseman, it may have changed things (Carig) — Abreu signed a six-year, $68 million contract with the Chicago White Sox
  • Official radio announcement (reportedly with WOR) will come “any day” (Diamond)


http://metsblog.com/metsblog/j...mets-offseason/
Assinine to day that about Abreu. They seem to be planning on going with Duda at first. If that's the case,  does anyone in this organization know how to scout? Duda stinks. He should NOT be the guy at 1st.
See.  I just don't get how it is asinine to prioritize positions.  If we have reasonable 1B options in house at very reasonable prices and offensive black holes at SS and corner OF then how is it bad to focus on those positions?

If they thought Abreu was a premium offensive player, we dont have any position blocked other then 3rd base and maybe catcher.   Neither Duda or Davis has shown enough to warrant passing on a player they really liked.  (assuming they really liked him, which Jeffy is suggesting by stating they may have bid if he could play OF)
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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:34 PM

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If Abreu's value at 1B winds up being "worth" what he received from the White Sox, then - hey - more power to 'em. I'm in no way going to sit here and cry over the Mets not making an offer, even less if he does wind up struggling vs. Major League pitching.....while being not much more than a "slugger" that does little else.

AL Teams are going to be much better matches for these types of players.....at least in my own opinion.

$11.3MM/per*** for a guy who's never faced a Major League pitch is nothing to sneeze at.

*** Specs:

($10 million signing bonus)
$7 million in 2014
$7 million in 2015,
$10 million in 2016,
$10.5 million in 2017,
$11.5 million in 2018 and
$12 million in 2019

Hopefully, for his sake - he produces, and keeps himself in shape over the course of the next 6 seasons. Not saying he couldn't, but I do understand the risk weighed against the potential of going in other directions.

It's time for the Mets to actually pick one, though.

Would Abreu have been a nice pick-up, provided you could pencil in guaranteed presence/production within the middle of the order? Sure.

However, it's not like all that money's being forked over to a 20-year old burner in the fledgling stages of his career.  He'll be 27 by Opening Day, and will be looked upon for immediate results.....so.....as much as I don't care (not my money, after all) -- I just never saw him as the type of player the Mets would go after.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:55 PM

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"I think it should be five players and Murphy is the guy."

I can only guess that they look at one of Murphy or Flores as the 2B and perhaps not at another starting position -- ie if they think Flores can really handle 2nd, maybe the plan is to trade Murphy. If not, then Murphy is the second baseman and Flores is either on the bench or trade-bait...?

I'd say, based on what we've seen from him, Lagares should be a virtual lock as a starting OFer, unless you see the Mets adding *three* OFs better than him. I'd add that despite TDAs 2013 struggles, I'm not sure I see the Mets adding the kind of catcher who would make TDA a backup, so I'd figure him as a lock as well.

Parnell and Black are probably very close to being locks for closer and setup man, right? If so, that is two more.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:05 PM

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metjetgal wrote:
Walnutz15 wrote:

Jeff Wilpon was among representatives from the Mets who were pitching in at a Garfield, NJ school for a service day a year after Superstorm Sandy and spoke about the team’s offseason outlook:

  • Wilpon said that the Mets are not handcuffed in any way in terms of payroll (Kerwick)
  • Named David Wright, Zack Wheeler, Dillon Gee and Jon Niese as the only players locked into their positions for 2014 (Ackert)
  • Team have expressed interest into trading for a first baseman from the Mets (Carig)
  • He is not worried about Matt Harvey rushing back from surgery (Kerwick)
  • The team did not make an offer on Jose Abreu (Kerwick), but said if he was a corner outfielder instead of a first baseman, it may have changed things (Carig) — Abreu signed a six-year, $68 million contract with the Chicago White Sox
  • Official radio announcement (reportedly with WOR) will come “any day” (Diamond)


http://metsblog.com/metsblog/j...mets-offseason/
Assinine to day that about Abreu. They seem to be planning on going with Duda at first. If that's the case,  does anyone in this organization know how to scout? Duda stinks. He should NOT be the guy at 1st.
I hope it's Flores at first.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:06 PM

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roanokemetsfan wrote:
metjetgal wrote:
Walnutz15 wrote:

Jeff Wilpon was among representatives from the Mets who were pitching in at a Garfield, NJ school for a service day a year after Superstorm Sandy and spoke about the team’s offseason outlook:

  • Wilpon said that the Mets are not handcuffed in any way in terms of payroll (Kerwick)
  • Named David Wright, Zack Wheeler, Dillon Gee and Jon Niese as the only players locked into their positions for 2014 (Ackert)
  • Team have expressed interest into trading for a first baseman from the Mets (Carig)
  • He is not worried about Matt Harvey rushing back from surgery (Kerwick)
  • The team did not make an offer on Jose Abreu (Kerwick), but said if he was a corner outfielder instead of a first baseman, it may have changed things (Carig) — Abreu signed a six-year, $68 million contract with the Chicago White Sox
  • Official radio announcement (reportedly with WOR) will come “any day” (Diamond)


http://metsblog.com/metsblog/j...mets-offseason/
Assinine to day that about Abreu. They seem to be planning on going with Duda at first. If that's the case,  does anyone in this organization know how to scout? Duda stinks. He should NOT be the guy at 1st.
See.  I just don't get how it is asinine to prioritize positions.  If we have reasonable 1B options in house at very reasonable prices and offensive black holes at SS and corner OF then how is it bad to focus on those positions?
I consider 1st base as much a black hole as SS and Corner OF. Davis and Duda are black holes. noidea
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:08 PM

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Flores is an interesting case.  A part of me feels like he will be a part of a trade....but I also think it is possible they include him in some kind of share of 1B (with Duda, probably) with the hope that by the end of the season he earns all of the playing time.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:37 PM

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MetsBeast wrote: Flores is an interesting case.  A part of me feels like he will be a part of a trade....but I also think it is possible they include him in some kind of share of 1B (with Duda, probably) with the hope that by the end of the season he earns all of the playing time.
I hate that idea. Flores is too young and valuable to have to "earn" his playing time in this way (meaning: he's sitting on the bench half the time). He should be playing every day. He's earned that chance, he lit up AAA last year. If you don't have a place for him, then trade him and let someone else give him the chance. Don't retard his growth by making him sing for his supper like that. Duda belongs on the bench. He's had chances to seize a lineup spot and hasn't done it. Duda has value as a 4th OF or even as a starting OF in an otherwise loaded lineup. But he shouldn't be keeping a 22 year old prospect on the bench, he's not that good.

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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:52 PM

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I don't like anecdotal cases, but I'm not sure an easy way to do it otherwise. Allen Craig mashed in the minors and had a mediocre 2010 September call-up.

2011 he spent most of the year as a bench/platoon player in the Majors [~260 total PAs] and did well and then was handed the full-time position and continued to do well.

I'm not sure of a good way to identify a large number of players handled a similar way and do a similar analysis to aggregate some data. Seems like it'd be one of those week long projects that I don't much care for :)
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:53 PM

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Granted, perhaps a big difference between doing that to a 22yo Flores than a 26yo Allen Craig...
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:56 PM

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Jeff said there were 5 options at first base in house. Who exactly are they? Davis, Duda, Satin, Lutz, And Murphy?

I hope Davis is gone and they acquire a 1B or move Murphy their with Flores at 2B. Sign Peralta and get be f Grandy or Choo in the OF. I'd be a little pleases.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 3:05 PM

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roanokemetsfan wrote: 
See.  I just don't get how it is asinine to prioritize positions.  If we have reasonable 1B options in house at very reasonable prices and offensive black holes at SS and corner OF then how is it bad to focus on those positions?
I agree completely. The Mets have 3 guys who could have significant upside at 1B (Ike, Duda, Flores), maybe used in a platoon. They have 0 guys at SS or RF. Maybe Tejada can become an MLB starting SS again, but there's no way I'd pencil him in as part of the solution in 2014. Let him show something at AAA.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 3:06 PM

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nevets72 wrote: Jeff said there were 5 options at first base in house. Who exactly are they? Davis, Duda, Satin, Lutz, And Murphy?

I hope Davis is gone and they acquire a 1B or move Murphy their with Flores at 2B. Sign Peralta and get be f Grandy or Choo in the OF. I'd be a little pleases.
Flores, not Lutz, at 1B.  I doubt they see Flores as an option for 2B, but I guess it's a possibility...
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Posted: 10/29/2013 3:16 PM

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shhaggy wrote:
MetsBeast wrote: Flores is an interesting case.  A part of me feels like he will be a part of a trade....but I also think it is possible they include him in some kind of share of 1B (with Duda, probably) with the hope that by the end of the season he earns all of the playing time.
I hate that idea. Flores is too young and valuable to have to "earn" his playing time in this way (meaning: he's sitting on the bench half the time). He should be playing every day. He's earned that chance, he lit up AAA last year. If you don't have a place for him, then trade him and let someone else give him the chance. Don't retard his growth by making him sing for his supper like that. Duda belongs on the bench. He's had chances to seize a lineup spot and hasn't done it. Duda has value as a 4th OF or even as a starting OF in an otherwise loaded lineup. But he shouldn't be keeping a 22 year old prospect on the bench, he's not that good.
I think it's totally fine for Flores to get ~ 54 starts at 1B for 240 PA (against LHP), another ~ 13 starts at 3B for another 60 PA (against RHP), and then pinch hit another 90 or so times. He could also get a few starts at AB to add to the total. Getting close to 400 PA in 2014 isn't going to stunt his growth. He's 22. There's a lot to learn just being on an MLB team for a full season.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 3:31 PM

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shhaggy wrote:
MetsBeast wrote: Flores is an interesting case.  A part of me feels like he will be a part of a trade....but I also think it is possible they include him in some kind of share of 1B (with Duda, probably) with the hope that by the end of the season he earns all of the playing time.
I hate that idea. Flores is too young and valuable to have to "earn" his playing time in this way (meaning: he's sitting on the bench half the time). He should be playing every day. He's earned that chance, he lit up AAA last year. If you don't have a place for him, then trade him and let someone else give him the chance. Don't retard his growth by making him sing for his supper like that. Duda belongs on the bench. He's had chances to seize a lineup spot and hasn't done it. Duda has value as a 4th OF or even as a starting OF in an otherwise loaded lineup. But he shouldn't be keeping a 22 year old prospect on the bench, he's not that good.
Problem with trading Flores is that most scouts don't view him as a ML player, and his MLB showcase didn't help him prove otherwise. But I think your right, if 2014 is gonna be an open tryout anyway, I'd rather have Flores at 1b then Duda or a Mike Carp type there. Give Wilmer a shot, he actually looked pretty good before that ankle injury.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 3:50 PM

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Edgardo Alfonzo got 350-400 ABs in his 1st 2 years while rotating between a couple of infield positions. He then broke out in his age 23 season.
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