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Wally World might be Over for the Mets

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Posted: 9/6/2013 9:17 AM

Wally World might be Over for the Mets 


According to Puma and from Rubin's column, if Wally does not get a. Promotion to the big club staff, he will leave. Good riddance to the impetuous child.
“Every day is a new opportunity.  You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again.” - Bob Feller
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Posted: 9/6/2013 9:18 AM

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nevets72 wrote: According to Puma and from Rubin's column, if Wally does not get a. Promotion to the big club staff, he will leave. Good riddance to the impetuous child.
Amen!
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Posted: 9/6/2013 9:21 AM

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If we're going to cite writers with new threads, please link to the columns. 

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo...ally-outta-here - Rubin

http://nypost.com/2013/09/05/b...s-organization/ - Puma

Good for Wally. If he's not taken on within the Major League ranks after this season, then he should definitely go elsewhere.

Not saying he'll get a job -- but he should know his perception within the organization by now better than anyone. If it's not in the cards after a few years, especially with a mediocre at best guy at the helm?

Can't say I blame him. Especially if Davey Johnson happened to put in some kind of word for him within the coaching ranks in D.C. --- even if he was considered for a bench coach, etc.  (Remember, we'd seen Backman turn down the offer to join Johnson as bench coach - in favor of sticking with the Mets to manage at Vegas.  At some point, ya move on.)

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 9/6/2013 9:27 AM

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I don't like either writer and don't want them to garner undeservered clicks. ;)

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If we're going to cite writers with new threads, please link to the columns. 

espn.go.com/blog/new-yo...ally-outta-here - Rubin

nypost.com/2013/09/05/b...s-organization/ - Puma

Good for Wally. If he's not taken on within the Major League ranks after this season, then he should definitely go elsewhere.

Not saying he'll get a job -- but he should know his perception within the organization by now better than anyone. If it's not in the cards after a few years, especially with a mediocre at best guy at the helm?

Can't say I blame him. Especially if Davey Johnson happened to put in some kind of word for him within the coaching ranks in D.C. --- even if he was considered for a bench coach, etc.  (Remember, we'd seen Backman turn down the offer to join Johnson as bench coach - in favor of sticking with the Mets to manage at Vegas.  At some point, ya move on.)

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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:08 AM

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Wherever he goes, he can take Robert Carson with him.

Later
"You spend a good part of your life gripping the baseball, and in the end it turns out it was the other way around all the time." Jim Bouton
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:12 AM

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He can take Ike with him too as he was so confident he could fix Ike back when Ike went down.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:13 AM

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He kinda sorta fixed Ike. He did come up better. Just not as good as we hoped.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:18 AM

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Ike came back in July hitting 240 with an OPS of 740 1 HR. Yes, he hit in August, but that was well after his "being fixed".

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He kinda sorta fixed Ike. He did come up better. Just not as good as we hoped.

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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:21 AM

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Ike came back in July hitting 240 with an OPS of 740 1 HR. Yes, he hit in August, but that was well after his "being fixed".

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He kinda sorta fixed Ike. He did come up better. Just not as good as we hoped.

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He's slow to boil? :)
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:28 AM

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Backman as the next Nationals coach......hmm........that's very interesting.   Not sure how that might work.    Again......not like there is an expansive list of alternatives that seems to be out there during the upcoming offseason.    Certainly a juicy story adding a little sizzle to those Mets/Nats future games.........
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:32 AM

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nevets72 wrote: He can take Ike with him too as he was so confident he could fix Ike back when Ike went down.

While I'd love to see Ike popping HR's out with the greatest of ease, also - what did one reasonably expect from a few weeks at Vegas, with the Mets absolutely rushing to bring him back up to the Major League-level before the ASB?

For a guy that struggled as mightily as Ike had over the past 2 seasons, you'd like to think the guy would have spent even a month at Triple-A before bringing back into the fold.

It's beyond silly to imagine someone placing Ike Davis' struggles on the back of Wally Backman.  If anything, I'd look to Ike's current manager and coaching staff for some answers as to why he was permitted to take ridiculously reckless AB's for so long a period of time.....sabotaging the rest of the lineup around him, trying to get things going.

From that standpoint alone, I think we've seen far better from Davis - upon being called back up.  With more time? Who knows.

Never got there.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:41 AM

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Not pinning Ike on Backman, just pointing how stupid the statements Wally made when Ike went down. Wally went on WFAN and SNY touting how he'd get Ike right. Where else does a AAA manager think he has the right to address the media on how HE will fix the kid. What does that say about how he views has superiors and the organization as a whole.

Wally is about Wally, not the team. No place in my organization. That was what I was getting at.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:47 AM

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nevets72 wrote: Not pinning Ike on Backman, just point gout how stupid the statements Wally made when Ike went down. Wally went on WFAN and SNY touting how he'd get Ike right. Where else does a AAA manager think he has the right to address the media on how HE will fix the kid. What does that say about how he views has superiors and the organization as a whole.

Wally is about Wally, not the team. No place in my organization. Tat was what I was getting at.

I remember getting into this a bit around the time of it occurring, and I'll just reiterate:

Unless Backman went on with Francesa - without clearance from the organization.....I fail to see what was so wrong with what he actually said.  Reading into it, his detractors will have the "he's undercutting the current coaching staff!!" sentiment --- but really, why was Ike Davis permitted to go up and take a (terrible, awful, minor league) AB for so long a period of time at the Major League-level?

That's what I'd be more concerned with.  Guys at the Major League-level playing like Minor Leaguers, acting however they want to in the process.......it's actually interesting to me, the handling of that angle by our current staff for 2 years.

Maybe that factors into why people have this idea that players "love playing for Collins and Co."  Comfort and no real consequences.  There'd be no place for that in "my" organization.  biggrin

What we know of Alderson is that he prefers to have a "middle manager" who "carries out the philosophy of the organizational leaders."

Anyone who's read "Moneyball" recalls Alderson's quote on Managers:

"In what other business, do you leave the fate of the organization to a middle manager?"


On Art Howe:

“Art Howe was hired to implement the ideas of the front office, not his own.”



.............while that could potentially be a guy like Backman, conforming.........I really don't see it happening here.

This is not to say I couldn't see him being a successful Major League manager elsewhere.  I think that's the highway Backman's headed down right now, truth be told.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:49 AM

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Not pinning Ike on Backman, just pointing how stupid the statements Wally made when Ike went down. Wally went on WFAN and SNY touting how he'd get Ike right. Where else does a AAA manager think he has the right to address the media on how HE will fix the kid. What does that say about how he views has superiors and the organization as a whole.

Wally is about Wally, not the team. No place in my organization. That was what I was getting at.

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As a former retail manager, on many of occasions I've told my bosses that I could fix an under performing employee. I see no difference in telling my bosses and telling anyone who asks that I can turn someone around. It's not slight on anyone as it is a belief in my skill set

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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:06 AM

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I try to never begrudge anyone leaving for a better job. I wish Wally well if that's the case. 

I don't personally want him to ever be the Mets manager so I welcome this outcome.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:24 AM

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My guess is that Johnson will take Backman under his wing and eventually Wally will be the Nationals manager.

That will be a loss for the Mets. I would have taken Backman over Collins.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:27 AM

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51's are down 2-0 in best of 5 playoffs right now.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:28 AM

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I have read Moneyball. And yes, I know Sandy's philosophy. I don't think Wally is Sandy's man. I think ownership has more to do with it. Wally has no right making those comments, period.

Tell your superiors, tell your peers, don't tell the customers you are fixing the bad employee. I doubt you would put up a sign in font of be store stating there is a failing employee but don't worry you 'll fix him. That is analogous to telling the media something.

To me, Wally is a great part of this organization's history but he has proven on numerous occasions his primary concern is his own welfare. I do not want that philosophy infecting this organization.

This is not about Ike, it is about an impetuous child running his mouth of constantly trying to make this about him and not the organization. If that is not evident, I do not know what else to say. For all of Terry's faults, I have no reservation about his motivations, to improve this organization. I can not say the same about Wally.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:31 AM

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AUDIT wrote: My guess is that Johnson will take Backman under his wing and eventually Wally will be the Nationals manager.

That will be a loss for the Mets. I would have taken Backman over Collins.

Same here.

This is Davey's last year, no? (If what had been written in the past is correct, then Backman's only been here the past 2 seasons because he turned down the offer to be part of Davey's Major League staff as a bench coach.  Something Johnson actually advised Backman to do; as a resume-builder ---- meaning managing at Vegas for the Mets.)

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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:34 AM

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nevets72 wrote: I have read Moneyball. And yes, I know Sandy's philosophy. I don't think Wally is Sandy's man. I think ownership has more to do with it. Wally has no right making those comments, period.

Tell your superiors, tell your peers, don't tell the customers you are fixing the bad employee. I doubt you would put up a sign in font of be store stating there is a failing employee but don't worry you 'll fix him. That is analogous to telling the media something.

To me, Wally is a great part of this organization's history but he has proven on numerous occasions his primary concern is his own welfare. I do not want that philosophy infecting this organization.

This is not about Ike, it is about an impetuous child running his mouth of constantly trying to make this about him and not the organization. If that is not evident, I do not know what else to say. For all of Terry's faults, I have no reservation about his motivations, to improve this organization. I can not say the same about Wally.

Well, like Backman -- Collins didn't really have much of a choice, but to do whatever Alderson and Co. told him.

.......provided he wanted to manage at the Major League-level again.

No one else was going to hire him at the point the Mets did, IMHO.  He can take orders, I guess --- but from a Managerial standpoint? I'm anything but impressed by Collins.

We'll see what the case will be for Backman at the end of the year.  I have a feeling he'll be within another organization by Opening Day, 2014.

In what capacity? noidea

What you feel is an egregious problem, I see what you're saying - and respect it.  It could definitely become an issue with the NY media, and if certain things played out badly....no doubt. 

However, as a fan of this particular organization through the years?

I have no problem whatsoever with someone "stepping out of line" to talk real once in awhile.  Whatever the consequence is, from the organization he's employed by?

That's Backman's deal, not mine.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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