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The Resurgence of Dillon Gee

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Posted: 9/5/2013 11:04 AM

The Resurgence of Dillon Gee 


Gotta give credit where it's due. 

Guy's been fantastic this year, ever since the start in The Bronx - really. 

Gee's first 10 starts:

45.4 IP
69 Hits
17 BB's/35 K's
8 HR's Allowed
6.34 ERA

Over his Last 18 Starts:

123.2 innings
110 Hits
26 BB's/87 K's
14 HR's Allowed
2.40 ERA

I can't say I expected this kind of turn-around, even if he did need time to recover from last year's blood clot issue, etc.

He's certainly done his thing in 2013, to the point where he could be considered as one of the N.L.'s best over that stretch.

With that in mind, I do feel the Mets would be in pretty big trouble next year -- provided they couldn't count on him for the type of innings he's provided to date (even if they're not of such high quality - 173.1 IP [and counting] to date is nothing to sneeze at, with any member of the Met staff through the years).

IMHO - He's one of those guys right now, where his value to the Mets is likely worth a world more than it'd be to someone looking for his kind of services.
 

Best of luck going forward, Mr. Gee.  This rotation's gonna need ya.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 9/5/2013 11:06 AM

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I think he has to be a keeper. To me he is the type of guy that could consistently give you #3 starter numbers with 200+ innings per year. That guy knows how to pitch and I always thinks its a loss when he toes the rubber against the Braves.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 11:37 AM

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Yes. I like the guy. He has that air of confidence on the mound. A far cry from the deer in the headlights John Maine.

He reminds me of Josh Beckett in terms of his motion, attitude.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 11:50 AM

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Much props to deac on this. I also thought Gee would have a solid year and have always liked him. There are many who should eat crow on him, too; I wont name names.

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Deaconsaber wrote: UP:
Scott Atchison: I bet he's going to be our most consistently solid reliever over the course of the season
Dillon Gee: I wouldn't be totally shocked if he turns out to be our best starter
Pedro Feliciano: He's well-rested


DOWN:
Mike Baxter: I just don't think he's very good.
Kirk Nieuwenhuis: Don't think he has the batspeed to be a major league hitter
Josh Edgin: Don't think he will duplicate last season's early success. Wouldn't be surprised if he sees some time in the minors.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:03 PM

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dcmets wrote:  There are many who should eat crow on him, too; I wont name names.

I have no qualms about admitting that he was going along at a pace where I said this year, that I didn't care if I saw another start from him.  He just looked like a guy who needed much more time, and wasn't going to be able to get by on what he was utilizing out of the starting gates.

He's been dynamite since the start at Yankee Stadium, and I'm hoping we can rely upon him to be the solid mid-to-back-end guy that he's shown himself to be since then.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:09 PM

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I would try to trade him. His value will never be as good as it is now, and we dont really need him for the back end of the rotation. I agree with thethe that he would be a keeper if he was giving us these numbers, but I dont see him duplicating this next year.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:13 PM

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Yes, he has really been good. Probably the most dependable Met starter. I like him a lot.

So......let's trade him!

Sound crazy?  He has value. Or rather, perhaps next year his overall stats will look good and he will have more value. Ya gotta give up something to get something, and it is best to optimize the market value of players. That is, provided Gee has good market value. If he doesn't, or if his value to the Mets far exceeds his market value in any trade, then that is a different story.

I would certainly entertain offers for Gee this winter if it can bring back some offense. However, IMO he may have greater market value if he can put up some good numbers the early part to first half of 2014. If somebody were to look at his overall stats for this year, Gee would be undervalued. But if they were to look at what Gee has done Since May 30, that is a lot different.

The goal should be to optimize his value.

Why trade Gee in particular? First, ya gotta start moving some SPs with the likes of Montero and Syndergaard in the wings. Second, apart from Harvey and the potential of Wheeler and Syndergaard, Gee has the most value. Less upside than somebody like Syndergaard, but less downside risk and a more immediate return.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:14 PM

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on last check, Dillon Gee is tied for the most quality starts (i know not the best of stats) in MLB since 5/1/2013

not too shabby, none the less

 

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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:21 PM

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AUDIT wrote: Yes, he has really been good. Probably the most dependable Met starter. I like him a lot.

So......let's trade him!

Sound crazy?  He has value. Or rather, perhaps next year his overall stats will look good and he will have more value. Ya gotta give up something to get something, and it is best to optimize the market value of players. That is, provided Gee has good market value. If he doesn't, or if his value to the Mets far exceeds his market value in any trade, then that is a different story.

I would certainly entertain offers for Gee this winter if it can bring back some offense. However, IMO he may have greater market value if he can put up some good numbers the early part to first half of 2014. If somebody were to look at his overall stats for this year, Gee would be undervalued. But if they were to look at what Gee has done Since May 30, that is a lot different.

The goal should be to optimize his value.

Why trade Gee in particular? First, ya gotta start moving some SPs with the likes of Montero and Syndergaard in the wings. Second, apart from Harvey and the potential of Wheeler and Syndergaard, Gee has the most value. Less upside than somebody like Syndergaard, but less downside risk and a more immediate return.
Yeah, I think that says it all.  I am not in a rush to always trade players that do well for the Mets, but it is good thing to do some times.  I agree he is good candidate for a deadline deal, and as some have pointed out, he would have been a great candidate this year.  Teams really missed out on Byrd and Gee, IMO.  They would have been worth 3-4 wins. 

Gee has very curious numbers.  For some reason, he owns the Braves and Nats.  That's obviously a good thing because he has almost 10 starts a year against them.  But, the Phillies own him.noidea
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:22 PM

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AUDIT wrote: Yes, he has really been good. Probably the most dependable Met starter. I like him a lot.

So......let's trade him!

Sound crazy?  He has value. Or rather, perhaps next year his overall stats will look good and he will have more value. Ya gotta give up something to get something, and it is best to optimize the market value of players. That is, provided Gee has good market value. If he doesn't, or if his value to the Mets far exceeds his market value in any trade, then that is a different story.

I would certainly entertain offers for Gee this winter if it can bring back some offense. However, IMO he may have greater market value if he can put up some good numbers the early part to first half of 2014. If somebody were to look at his overall stats for this year, Gee would be undervalued. But if they were to look at what Gee has done Since May 30, that is a lot different.

The goal should be to optimize his value.

Why trade Gee in particular? First, ya gotta start moving some SPs with the likes of Montero and Syndergaard in the wings. Second, apart from Harvey and the potential of Wheeler and Syndergaard, Gee has the most value. Less upside than somebody like Syndergaard, but less downside risk and a more immediate return.
To me, you have to wait until the trade deadline to trade Gee, Or even next offseason.  We need a little more time for our young starters to get established, establish a depth pecking order and time to wait and see on Harvey.  Plus, the more time between him and his last surgery, the better as far as trade value.  If I had confidence that harvey would start next season in the rotation, I would probably think a little differently.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:26 PM

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dcmets wrote: I would try to trade him. His value will never be as good as it is now, and we dont really need him for the back end of the rotation. I agree with thethe that he would be a keeper if he was giving us these numbers, but I dont see him duplicating this next year.
I don't either, but at the same time - trading him opens up 2 spots in the rotation where you'll need to find the replacement innings.

In addition, you look at the return - say for example - the Astros got on a guy like Bud Norris (decent, albeit much more proven, comparison -- IMHO)........I'm not exactly blown away.

Definitely depends on the type of deal that'd be out there.  I'm not opposed to exploring, but do see the importance of having a developing Gee on next year's staff.  But that's presuming the Mets expect to be competitive within the Division with what they do this off-season.

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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:27 PM

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dcmets wrote: 
 Teams really missed out on Byrd and Gee, IMO.  They would have been worth 3-4 wins. 

Gee has very curious numbers.  For some reason, he owns the Braves and Nats.  That's obviously a good thing because he has almost 10 starts a year against them.  But, the Phillies own him.noidea
Still think the Mets will be kicking themselves over their paralyzed fear of dealing Parnell this year.  I could be completely wrong, but think they'll regret it - judging by the almost instantaneous consequence, post-deadline.

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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:32 PM

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I agree.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:52 PM

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AUDIT wrote: Yes, he has really been good. Probably the most dependable Met starter. I like him a lot.

So......let's trade him!

Sound crazy?  He has value. Or rather, perhaps next year his overall stats will look good and he will have more value. Ya gotta give up something to get something, and it is best to optimize the market value of players. That is, provided Gee has good market value. If he doesn't, or if his value to the Mets far exceeds his market value in any trade, then that is a different story.

I would certainly entertain offers for Gee this winter if it can bring back some offense. However, IMO he may have greater market value if he can put up some good numbers the early part to first half of 2014. If somebody were to look at his overall stats for this year, Gee would be undervalued. But if they were to look at what Gee has done Since May 30, that is a lot different.

The goal should be to optimize his value.

Why trade Gee in particular? First, ya gotta start moving some SPs with the likes of Montero and Syndergaard in the wings. Second, apart from Harvey and the potential of Wheeler and Syndergaard, Gee has the most value. Less upside than somebody like Syndergaard, but less downside risk and a more immediate return.
I would say trade rape Toronto, but we may have already depleted them.  Texas is always interested in starting pitching though.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:55 PM

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I think it's possible that part of the model of this FO is to produce a ton of these #3-#5 starter types, keep them for 3-4 years, and then trade them when they get expensive and bring up the next guy.  That being said, I'm not sure the Mets are quite ready yet to deal Gee (who at times has pitched better than a #3--although it will be tempting if his value ends up very high.  I could definitely see them keeping him another year and then trading him in the offseason.

Anyway, he's been very impressive.  Good job by the Mets drafting and developing a guy who apparently really knows how to pitch.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 1:03 PM

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MetsBeast wrote: I think it's possible that part of the model of this FO is to produce a ton of these #3-#5 starter types, keep them for 3-4 years, and then trade them when they get expensive and bring up the next guy.  That being said, I'm not sure the Mets are quite ready yet to deal Gee (who at times has pitched better than a #3--although it will be tempting if his value ends up very high.  I could definitely see them keeping him another year and then trading him in the offseason.

Anyway, he's been very impressive.  Good job by the Mets drafting and developing a guy who apparently really knows how to pitch.
That's where I'm at, too.  Short of getting a really tempting offer, with him as part of the package required to get it done.

Otherwise, I wouldn't see how the Mets could afford to move him this winter.  Ride it out, see where you're at by the ASB? -- yeah, I could see someone maybe overpaying for him by next year's Deadline.

Until then, though, I see the good version of him --- meaning "somewhere in-between" --- as being too valuable in terms of innings to next year's rotation.  Just don't see anyone going ga-ga over him in a deal that would bring back an upgrade that outweighs his potential contribution to the starting rotation.

And of course, I'd be just fine with him being here and continuing to provide the type of service he has - to date.  Just keep producing.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 9/5/2013 1:10 PM

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I wouldn't trade Gee yet unless of course some great trade comes around. I'd keep him as the #3/4 starter. His ERA+ is 102 and his FIP is 4.11. Very solid. Next season is his first year of arbitration, too.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 1:14 PM

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RSVandy wrote: I wouldn't trade Gee yet unless of course some great trade comes around. I'd keep him as the #3/4 starter. His ERA+ is 102 and his FIP is 4.11. Very solid. Next season is his first year of arbitration, too.

This is my thinking as well.  Keep him during his cheap years and let someone else overpay him when he gets to FA. Unless, of course, someone offers you something crazy in a trade but I dont see that happening.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 1:53 PM

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MookieLJL wrote:
RSVandy wrote: I wouldn't trade Gee yet unless of course some great trade comes around. I'd keep him as the #3/4 starter. His ERA+ is 102 and his FIP is 4.11. Very solid. Next season is his first year of arbitration, too.

This is my thinking as well.  Keep him during his cheap years and let someone else overpay him when he gets to FA. Unless, of course, someone offers you something crazy in a trade but I dont see that happening.
I wouldn't trade him either. He's been pretty solid in a year where we haven't had many solid players. Totally against this idea of trading guys that make this a better team. It becomes a revolving door of mediocrity in hoping you are getting something better for what you're dealing. Gee can pitch for a playoff bound team, and if this is the goal in NY then you hang on to him.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 4:36 PM

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EddyBarzoon wrote:
MookieLJL wrote:
RSVandy wrote: I wouldn't trade Gee yet unless of course some great trade comes around. I'd keep him as the #3/4 starter. His ERA+ is 102 and his FIP is 4.11. Very solid. Next season is his first year of arbitration, too.

This is my thinking as well.  Keep him during his cheap years and let someone else overpay him when he gets to FA. Unless, of course, someone offers you something crazy in a trade but I dont see that happening.
I wouldn't trade him either. He's been pretty solid in a year where we haven't had many solid players. Totally against this idea of trading guys that make this a better team. It becomes a revolving door of mediocrity in hoping you are getting something better for what you're dealing. Gee can pitch for a playoff bound team, and if this is the goal in NY then you hang on to him.

Paging Mr. Murphy.....Paging Mr. Murphy.  tongue
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