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When does Sandy feel the heat?

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Posted: 4/30/2013 10:38 AM

When does Sandy feel the heat? 


I would like to see some intelligent questions asked by the press to Sandy at the next opportunity.  This guy needs to answer the tough questions about the pathetic attempts to assemble a bullpen.  What is his gameplan for it?  What's Plan B to these retreads upon failure?  IMO, this guy has still been on the honeymoon, but it's time it ended.  He's not picking up names that stick.........that's a problem.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 10:50 AM

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well, he can start by getting Zack Wheeler out of LV.


Mets prospect right-hander Zack Wheeler told John Harper of the New York Daily News that the conditions in the Pacific Coast League have been a challenge.

Wheeler has a 5.79 ERA and 28/15 K/BB ratio in 23 1/3 innings over his first five starts with Triple-A Las Vegas. While the control issues could be a result overthrowing and shying away from contact, he's also having trouble gripping the ball. "It’s hard being from the East Coast, and being used to the humidity, the moisture," says Wheeler. "Every time after I throw a pitch, I’ve gotta lick my fingers. "Sometimes, before I even throw the next pitch, I’ve gotta step off and lick them again because my fingers are already dry again. And the balls are slick as crap. It takes some adjusting." Wheeler is scheduled to make his next start on Tuesday and will need to show some improvement before making his major league debut. Apr 30 - 9:54 AM
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:01 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote: well, he can start by getting Zack Wheeler out of LV.


Mets prospect right-hander Zack Wheeler told John Harper of the New York Daily News that the conditions in the Pacific Coast League have been a challenge.

Wheeler has a 5.79 ERA and 28/15 K/BB ratio in 23 1/3 innings over his first five starts with Triple-A Las Vegas. While the control issues could be a result overthrowing and shying away from contact, he's also having trouble gripping the ball. "It’s hard being from the East Coast, and being used to the humidity, the moisture," says Wheeler. "Every time after I throw a pitch, I’ve gotta lick my fingers. "Sometimes, before I even throw the next pitch, I’ve gotta step off and lick them again because my fingers are already dry again. And the balls are slick as crap. It takes some adjusting." Wheeler is scheduled to make his next start on Tuesday and will need to show some improvement before making his major league debut. Apr 30 - 9:54 AM
MEMO TO MUTTS: DON'T CREATE ANY MORE PELFREYS!

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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:05 AM

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Mets are getting too cute with money. If they win then money won't be an issue. SA shouldn't treat the team like its a small market team in the long run.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:07 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote: well, he can start by getting Zack Wheeler out of LV.



Agreed.

Not trying to make excuses for the kid, but there's no denying his command is much worse since he's gotten to Vegas. Gotta be a reason for it......could be a combination of the conditions, the blister, and some mental aspect as well (playing in a hitters paradise).
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:09 AM

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Kooos wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote: well, he can start by getting Zack Wheeler out of LV.



Agreed.

Not trying to make excuses for the kid, but there's no denying his command is much worse since he's gotten to Vegas. Gotta be a reason for it......could be a combination of the conditions, the blister, and some mental aspect as well (playing in a hitters paradise).


"Can't wait" to see how long this garbage goes on.

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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:19 AM

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In terms of the press, Sandy AND the Wilpons should already be feeling the heat for putting a crap product on the field in the world's best baseball market.

However, in terms' of Sandy's job security, there's no reason for him to get heat from the Wilpons. He's provided them cover beautifully through their financial problems.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:19 AM

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points taken, but let's also remember that the knock on him in the SF system was command. Do we know of other pitchers that have pitched in Vegas to deal with the conditions and make it to MLB? I don't want to hear the kid whine.

Who was the genius who thought going to not only Vegas, but the PCL in general was a good idea for an organization that has a long history of producing pitchers. Was there even a baseball mind present for that conversation?
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:19 AM

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I do agree with the OP that he has avoided accountability thus far.   A combination of the Madoff issues and his reputation plus his commanding speaking ability (especially in comparison to Minaya) has enabled him to avoid the normal media glare.

Tick. Tick. Tick.   How much more time before he is expected to show progress?

During the spring, he clearly stated that he wanted a .500 season at minimum.   Realistically, that doesnt look likely.   If we are 35-50, does he fire Collins?
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:23 AM

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Seaver wrote: points taken, but let's also remember that the knock on him in the SF system was command. Do we know of other pitchers that have pitched in Vegas to deal with the conditions and make it to MLB? I don't want to hear the kid whine.

Who was the genius who thought going to not only Vegas, but the PCL in general was a good idea for an organization that has a long history of producing pitchers. Was there even a baseball mind present for that conversation?
They had no choice.  Buffalo booted them out and you cant just pick a new city.  You have to pick a team that has a contract with one of the 3 AAA leagues.   Musical chairs stopped and we were left with Vegas.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:28 AM

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Also...They had money to chase Michael Bourne, so I would assume that their should have been money to build a better pen/bench/outfied.   As putrid as the Wilpons are, Alderson clearly either chose to spend less or chose to hold back or something....

He left some budget room on the table and decided that Cowgill, Burke, Hawkins, Marcum, Recker etc were sufficeint acquisitions.

That's a fail.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:36 AM

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oct271986 wrote:
Seaver wrote: points taken, but let's also remember that the knock on him in the SF system was command. Do we know of other pitchers that have pitched in Vegas to deal with the conditions and make it to MLB? I don't want to hear the kid whine.

Who was the genius who thought going to not only Vegas, but the PCL in general was a good idea for an organization that has a long history of producing pitchers. Was there even a baseball mind present for that conversation?
They had no choice.  Buffalo booted them out and you cant just pick a new city.  You have to pick a team that has a contract with one of the 3 AAA leagues.   Musical chairs stopped and we were left with Vegas.
then what do they pay the director of minor leagues to do?  This sounds like horrible planning on somebody's part.  New Orleans, Buffalo, and now Vegas.  Are they that cheap?
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:37 AM

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oct271986 wrote: I do agree with the OP that he has avoided accountability thus far.   A combination of the Madoff issues and his reputation plus his commanding speaking ability (especially in comparison to Minaya) has enabled him to avoid the normal media glare.

Tick. Tick. Tick.   How much more time before he is expected to show progress?

During the spring, he clearly stated that he wanted a .500 season at minimum.   Realistically, that doesnt look likely.   If we are 35-50, does he fire Collins?
anyone who didn't know exactly where the 2013 Mets were headed before the season began is now kidding themselves maybe bc they got off to a decent start... but those people were cautioned that we had a very favorable schedule in April.  

The issue for me is sort of twofold right now:

1) seeing where the team's attendance goes when things go really south this year, which seems inevitable.  to me this was always SA's big challenge for 2013, and

2) the idea that this team can just flip a switch and be highly competitive in 2014 and thereafter simply bc of more budget flexibility always seemed like nothing but wishful thinking.  

Sure, a healthy and productive Travis d'Arnaud and Zack Wheeler can go part of the way in making things more interesting but it's going to take a lot more effort than we've seen from this FO before things are going to be turned around here imo.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:45 AM

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Walnutz15 wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote: well, he can start by getting Zack Wheeler out of LV.


Mets prospect right-hander Zack Wheeler told John Harper of the New York Daily News that the conditions in the Pacific Coast League have been a challenge.

Wheeler has a 5.79 ERA and 28/15 K/BB ratio in 23 1/3 innings over his first five starts with Triple-A Las Vegas. While the control issues could be a result overthrowing and shying away from contact, he's also having trouble gripping the ball. "It’s hard being from the East Coast, and being used to the humidity, the moisture," says Wheeler. "Every time after I throw a pitch, I’ve gotta lick my fingers. "Sometimes, before I even throw the next pitch, I’ve gotta step off and lick them again because my fingers are already dry again. And the balls are slick as crap. It takes some adjusting." Wheeler is scheduled to make his next start on Tuesday and will need to show some improvement before making his major league debut. Apr 30 - 9:54 AM
MEMO TO MUTTS: DON'T CREATE ANY MORE PELFREYS!

Thanks,
Nutz - Management of the Sane People  (How's that for a contradiction? - biggrin)
The inherent contradiction there Nutz is not that you aren't sane but as a Met fan......well by definition we cannot be. There are no sane Met fans.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:50 AM

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danfran wrote:
Walnutz15 wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote: well, he can start by getting Zack Wheeler out of LV.


Mets prospect right-hander Zack Wheeler told John Harper of the New York Daily News that the conditions in the Pacific Coast League have been a challenge.

Wheeler has a 5.79 ERA and 28/15 K/BB ratio in 23 1/3 innings over his first five starts with Triple-A Las Vegas. While the control issues could be a result overthrowing and shying away from contact, he's also having trouble gripping the ball. "It’s hard being from the East Coast, and being used to the humidity, the moisture," says Wheeler. "Every time after I throw a pitch, I’ve gotta lick my fingers. "Sometimes, before I even throw the next pitch, I’ve gotta step off and lick them again because my fingers are already dry again. And the balls are slick as crap. It takes some adjusting." Wheeler is scheduled to make his next start on Tuesday and will need to show some improvement before making his major league debut. Apr 30 - 9:54 AM
MEMO TO MUTTS: DON'T CREATE ANY MORE PELFREYS!

Thanks,
Nutz - Management of the Sane People  (How's that for a contradiction? - biggrin)
The inherent contradiction there Nutz is not that you aren't sane but as a Met fan......well by definition we cannot be. There are no sane Met fans.
He is correct!  "A sane Met fan" is an oxymoron. frown
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:50 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote:
oct271986 wrote: I do agree with the OP that he has avoided accountability thus far.   A combination of the Madoff issues and his reputation plus his commanding speaking ability (especially in comparison to Minaya) has enabled him to avoid the normal media glare.

Tick. Tick. Tick.   How much more time before he is expected to show progress?

During the spring, he clearly stated that he wanted a .500 season at minimum.   Realistically, that doesnt look likely.   If we are 35-50, does he fire Collins?
anyone who didn't know exactly where the 2013 Mets were headed before the season began is now kidding themselves maybe bc they got off to a decent start... but those people were cautioned that we had a very favorable schedule in April.  

The issue for me is sort of twofold right now:

1) seeing where the team's attendance goes when things go really south this year, which seems inevitable.  to me this was always SA's big challenge for 2013, and

2) the idea that this team can just flip a switch and be highly competitive in 2014 and thereafter simply bc of more budget flexibility always seemed like nothing but wishful thinking.  

Sure, a healthy and productive Travis d'Arnaud and Zack Wheeler can go part of the way in making things more interesting but it's going to take a lot more effort than we've seen from this FO before things are going to be turned around here imo.
(The underlined) I've always had an issue with that. I wondered why, assuming d'Arnaud and Wheeler are here and doing well this still wasn't a 78 win team. Other than Parnell, they should just release the entire bullpen. Other than Duda, ditto on the outfield. They have 2, repeat 2 starting pitchers on this roster, with Wheeler and Gee that makes 3+ a shaky #5. There still needs to be a sizable cash input into free agency, and who knows if the guys available this year are even worth it?
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Posted: 4/30/2013 11:55 AM

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omnimetfan wrote:
danfran wrote:
Walnutz15 wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote: well, he can start by getting Zack Wheeler out of LV.


Mets prospect right-hander Zack Wheeler told John Harper of the New York Daily News that the conditions in the Pacific Coast League have been a challenge.

Wheeler has a 5.79 ERA and 28/15 K/BB ratio in 23 1/3 innings over his first five starts with Triple-A Las Vegas. While the control issues could be a result overthrowing and shying away from contact, he's also having trouble gripping the ball. "It’s hard being from the East Coast, and being used to the humidity, the moisture," says Wheeler. "Every time after I throw a pitch, I’ve gotta lick my fingers. "Sometimes, before I even throw the next pitch, I’ve gotta step off and lick them again because my fingers are already dry again. And the balls are slick as crap. It takes some adjusting." Wheeler is scheduled to make his next start on Tuesday and will need to show some improvement before making his major league debut. Apr 30 - 9:54 AM
MEMO TO MUTTS: DON'T CREATE ANY MORE PELFREYS!

Thanks,
Nutz - Management of the Sane People  (How's that for a contradiction? - biggrin)
The inherent contradiction there Nutz is not that you aren't sane but as a Met fan......well by definition we cannot be. There are no sane Met fans.
He is correct!  "A sane Met fan" is an oxymoron. frown
Most days, I like to think that I'm too sane to follow this crazy team.

......but here I am, twitching all the way.  crazy

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Posted: 4/30/2013 12:29 PM

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Mets fans are taking too much credit. All sports fans are nuts and need to hide from squirrels.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 12:33 PM

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Sandy should feel the heat for the garbage bullpen he has once again assembled.  There is nothing as disheartening for players than to have their bullpen consistently blow up.  I am starting to have concerns on whether he has the skills to build a decent bullpen.  I knew this was going to be a rough year.  Our hitting was supposed to suck and starting pitching was supposed to be a strength.  The bullpen was supposed to be reworked.  Santana was never replaced in the rotation and the bullpen SUCKS. 

There are teams with smaller or similar budgets that have better bullpens.  I think Sandy might have a problem recognizing pitching talent.

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Posted: 4/30/2013 12:44 PM

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It's not helping that the Mets farm system is not really providing any power bullpen arms.   Parnell seems like the only guy that may have staying power.     Most other teams with lower budgets are producing these types of arms.    

Also......those teams tend to have been in the top of the draft pile, as well.    


I thought Lyon was the only semi-reliable option they added.    It's such a finesse bullpen.....and that adds to it not being fun to watch.     It's like you are waiting for something bad to happen.    

2014 SA and his staff are def on the clock.    He won't get a pass this year......but the offseason trades are expected to help in the short-to-long run.......so he can sort of hide behind that.   We all have to wonder how sincere the FO was in wanting to actually produce a 'winning' team this year......or just use this as the final year in a contract purge which hopefully the team could luck into some future starting players.    I think it depends where you are as a Mets fan on this front......the.......2013 was never meant to be anything, anyway.......or the......I get it......it's about the future......but can you at least TRY to put together some kind of roster we may enjoy.......even if it's ultimately flawed.
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