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Our Starting Rotation

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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:25 PM

Our Starting Rotation 


  1. You'd project rotation of Johan Santana on Opening Day, then Shaun Marcum, Jon Niese, Matt Harvey and Dillon Gee in that order, though.

  2. TC said he'll split LHs Johan & Niese in rotation, as expected. Marcum & Gee similar so makes sense to split too, although TC noncommittal.

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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:56 PM

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Days off will likely change the rotation at various points and changing opponents sometimes renders splitting two similar pitchers unnecessary.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:59 PM

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I say give the keys to Harvey right away. Not sure why Marcum deserves to be in that spot coming off his injury. Harvey has the goods IMO.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:45 PM

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I like Niese immediately after Santana. I think he benefited from having the same opponents a lot of the time. If I were to split Niese and Santana, I'd definitely put Harvey in the #2 spot, unless there's a concern about how many innings he throws.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:52 PM

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There doesn't seem to be any limit on Harvey this year as far as innings go. He is good to go for about 210IP this season...Now if the Mets make the playoffs they might shut him down.


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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:36 PM

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I would go with Santana, Niese, Marcum, Harvey, Gee.

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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:45 PM

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There is no legitimate ace there, but if healthy I really like this staff.  I would say the Mets are above average in their 3rd, 4th and 5th starters.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:47 PM

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I would go Harvey-Niese-Marcum-Santana-Gee


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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:51 PM

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The only thing that really matters is Gee slotting fifth.  1-2-3-4 is more or less irrelevant because after the first week rotations no longer align in a way that matches up like starters.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:52 PM

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it would be nice to start off the season with Harvey though over a guy in Santana who is on his way out...


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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:59 PM

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I can understand not wanting to put too much pressure on Harvey.  Opening day starter is symbolic more than anything.  The torch can get passed next season when Harvey has established himself and the Mets have some expectations of being led into the future by their young core.  Harvey has enough on his plate going into the season.  He doesn't need to feel like he's shouldering the burden of the entire franchise going into his first full season.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:17 PM

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xmulderx wrote: it would be nice to start off the season with Harvey though over a guy in Santana who is on his way out...

Santana has done nothing to deserve to lose the honor.  When he has been healthy he has pitched quite well.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:54 PM

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omnimetfan wrote:
xmulderx wrote: it would be nice to start off the season with Harvey though over a guy in Santana who is on his way out...

Santana has done nothing to deserve to lose the honor.  When he has been healthy he has pitched quite well.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:08 PM

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Word. Starting on Opening Day is a superficial honor. The guy who pitched the first no hitter in Mets history deserves it, especially after the reigning Cy Young winner got traded.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:14 PM

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DocK16 wrote: I can understand not wanting to put too much pressure on Harvey.  Opening day starter is symbolic more than anything.  The torch can get passed next season when Harvey has established himself and the Mets have some expectations of being led into the future by their young core.  Harvey has enough on his plate going into the season.  He doesn't need to feel like he's shouldering the burden of the entire franchise going into his first full season.
Mr. Niese hopefully has something to say about that...

 

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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:42 AM

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Assuming a three day or more series, slotting Harvey after Santana would make Niese more effective - a righty fastballer between two lefties. Gives the opponent three different looks in a row.

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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:57 AM

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NewMFS62 wrote: Assuming a three day or more series, slotting Harvey after Santana would make Niese more effective - a righty fastballer between two lefties. Gives the opponent three different looks in a row.

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Yeah, it's more about giving different looks than matching up with another team's ace (or #2 or #3). Back in the 80's, I always felt Ojeda was most effective following Gooden....Doc had a 96-98mph FB that moved like crazy and then Bobby O following him with a changeup that never seemed to reach the plate (followed by Darling with a great splitter and Sid who had the most deceptive 89mph FB in the game). Those guys really complimented each other.

Of course sooner or later injuries, rainouts, and off days mess with it. noidea

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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:58 AM

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NewMFS62 wrote: Assuming a three day or more series, slotting Harvey after Santana would make Niese more effective - a righty fastballer between two lefties. Gives the opponent three different looks in a row.

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The only two Met starters with similar stuff are Marcum and Gee.  As long as those two are not back to back, the opponents will get different looks on back to back days.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:46 AM

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Santana these days is much closer to a #4 than he is a #1 starter. Going Johan is the safe choice, i wouldn't give him the opening day gig... but it's not a big deal.


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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:41 PM

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One of the exciting parts of this year's Mets squad is the rotation.    I like it as is.    I like splitting up the lefties.......it should mean that in most series, teams facing the Mets will be dealing with a lefty during that series.  

I think the nice thing about Harvey at #4 is that you'd think he would be the guy that could probably go the most innings regularly of all 5 guys.    marcum, Johann, and Gee are prob 6 max.....with an option of the 7th if the pitch count is low.    Niese and Harvey are the guys more likely to last through the 7th and beyond, even with a slightly elevated pitch count.    


The rotation will likely get mixed up during the year, anyway......esp with Marcum being injury prone.  

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