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LaTroy Hawkins signs Minor League deal

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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:34 AM

LaTroy Hawkins signs Minor League deal 


More bullpen depth...

The Mets have signed LaTroy Hawkins to a minor league deal with an invitation to Spring Training, according to USA Today's Bob Nightengale (on Twitter).

The 40-year-old Hawkins was effective in 42 innings for the Angels last season, pitching to a 3.64 ERA, 4.9 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9. His fastball still averaged 92.3 mph, according to FanGraphs, though his 5.4% swinging strike rate was the lowest of his lengthy career.

If Hawkins makes the roster, the Mets will become the tenth team for which he's pitched at the Major League level. The Reynolds Sports Management client has a career 4.45 ERA, 6.0 K/9, 2.9 BB/9 and 47.8 percent ground-ball rate in 1303 2/3 innings. He's been significantly better as a reliever (3.36 ERA in 518 1/3 innings) than he was a starter early on in his career (6.11 ERA in 785 1/3 innings).

Hawkins is the second veteran right-handed bullpen option that general manager Sandy Alderson has added in the past 24 hours, as the Mets signed Scott Atchison to a minor league deal on Wednesday morning.


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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:27 AM

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Hawkins
Feliciano
Atchison

Granted, all low-risk signings -- you just wish they were younger, healthier options.  Then again, if they were - then there'd have been no chance of them being here right now.

In concept, this is how you piece together a Major League bullpen -- hoping things break in your favor.  However, you need the primary horses in place first to handle the bulk of the workload. 

The Mets definitely don't have that right now, IMHO.  Really curious to see if any legit options are added prior to ST.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:53 AM

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Obviously another good, low risk depth signing.  We literally have nothing to lose bringing in guys like Atchison and Hawkins on minor league deals.  If this is ALL we do for the bullpen I'll be annoyed but each of these deals make sense regardless of the plan for the rest of the bullpen.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:12 AM

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Jon Rauch without the guaranteed ML contract. Like.


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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:18 AM

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Terrific........this will get fans to the ballpark.


Would anyone be disappointed if the Mets didn't reach out to one of the remaining actual closers left in the FA market?    Most notably Valverde.....I mean.....how much $$ could he actually be asking for?   Not saying it's a long term solution.....but.....SA and his FO will come under justified scrutiny for not improving the OF or the bullpen if things stay as they are.  I would actually prefer Lyon over Capps if they decided to look in that direction.   


Maybe the Mets get lucky and a few of their younger RPs blossom.......but if you still have FF closing......meh.....good luck.   I think there is a better chance the young RPs blossom than the young OFs.....fwiw.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:19 AM

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He was too young for the Yankees.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:51 AM

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Walnutz15 wrote:

Hawkins
Feliciano
Atchison

Granted, all low-risk signings -- you just wish they were younger, healthier options.  Then again, if they were - then there'd have been no chance of them being here right now.

In concept, this is how you piece together a Major League bullpen -- hoping things break in your favor.  However, you need the primary horses in place first to handle the bulk of the workload. 

The Mets definitely don't have that right now, IMHO.  Really curious to see if any legit options are added prior to ST.

yeah, if these additions came after one quality late inning arm were added, then it  might be something to take notice of... as it is, this pen has some good 6th and 7th inning candidates imo and a weak late game lineup.  We'll def have another bottom 5 pen.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:12 AM

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Good depth move for the pen. I see some clamoring for the FO to sign "names," but in other threads I can point to where those same people say that allocating significant resources on the pen is foolish and that it should be built from within. If the plan is to feature Familia, Mejia, Parnell, Edgin, Carson, and perhaps Mazzoni out of the pen. Doesn't that satisfy the build the pen from within crowd, trying to duplicate the Braves' model? I am all in for that approach. Now if some are saying that we need to sign a known commodity to fill out the late inning guys I can see the point there too. On that front I would not be opposed to Valverde, thus pushing FF to the 7-8 innings. Not sure that is going to happen so perhaps the best case, which I am rooting for, is that one of Familia, Edgin, or Mejia becomes our internal answer to the question of who is the long term solution to the closers role.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:20 AM

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I'm still intrigued by the high ceiling of Brian Wilson. I know Alderson came away unimpressed, but they are going to give him a 2nd look.


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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:50 AM

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Lynbrook wrote: Good depth move for the pen. I see some clamoring for the FO to sign "names," but in other threads I can point to where those same people say that allocating significant resources on the pen is foolish and that it should be built from within. If the plan is to feature Familia, Mejia, Parnell, Edgin, Carson, and perhaps Mazzoni out of the pen. Doesn't that satisfy the build the pen from within crowd, trying to duplicate the Braves' model? I am all in for that approach. Now if some are saying that we need to sign a known commodity to fill out the late inning guys I can see the point there too. On that front I would not be opposed to Valverde, thus pushing FF to the 7-8 innings. Not sure that is going to happen so perhaps the best case, which I am rooting for, is that one of Familia, Edgin, or Mejia becomes our internal answer to the question of who is the long term solution to the closers role.
Wouldn't signing Valverde qualify as signing a "name"?  Name chasing has been a very popular criticism around here for a couple of years now. However, If signing a pitcher or two who have track records and health that are a safe enough bet that the market has determined they are worthy of a major league contract, then call me a "name chaser".  If assembling an entire team from the scrapheap was actually a plausible way to win, every GM would be trying it.

And I'm actually a big believer that relievers often come out of nowhere.  I'm just sick of the notion that our GM is somehow smarter because he takes of bunch of no risk flyers on relievers.  Maybe one will work out- they sometimes do.  However, when it occasionally works out it's more of a "luck of the draw" thing than it is a brilliant plan.

Personally I am in favor of signing a couple of actual reliable late inning releivers because I don't think Famila, Mejia or Mazzoni are major league ready.  If signing a couple of veterans on 1 year deals lets us develop these young guys at the right pace then I think it is a worthwhile investment.  And hey, we might win a few more games in the process.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:25 AM

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I would take a flyer on Brandon Lyon if the price is right, rather than Valverde or another injury reclamation project like Wilson.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:45 AM

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MookieLJL wrote:
Lynbrook wrote: Good depth move for the pen. I see some clamoring for the FO to sign "names," but in other threads I can point to where those same people say that allocating significant resources on the pen is foolish and that it should be built from within. If the plan is to feature Familia, Mejia, Parnell, Edgin, Carson, and perhaps Mazzoni out of the pen. Doesn't that satisfy the build the pen from within crowd, trying to duplicate the Braves' model? I am all in for that approach. Now if some are saying that we need to sign a known commodity to fill out the late inning guys I can see the point there too. On that front I would not be opposed to Valverde, thus pushing FF to the 7-8 innings. Not sure that is going to happen so perhaps the best case, which I am rooting for, is that one of Familia, Edgin, or Mejia becomes our internal answer to the question of who is the long term solution to the closers role.
Wouldn't signing Valverde qualify as signing a "name"?  Name chasing has been a very popular criticism around here for a couple of years now. However, If signing a pitcher or two who have track records and health that are a safe enough bet that the market has determined they are worthy of a major league contract, then call me a "name chaser".  If assembling an entire team from the scrapheap was actually a plausible way to win, every GM would be trying it.

And I'm actually a big believer that relievers often come out of nowhere.  I'm just sick of the notion that our GM is somehow smarter because he takes of bunch of no risk flyers on relievers.  Maybe one will work out- they sometimes do.  However, when it occasionally works out it's more of a "luck of the draw" thing than it is a brilliant plan.

Personally I am in favor of signing a couple of actual reliable late inning releivers because I don't think Famila, Mejia or Mazzoni are major league ready.  If signing a couple of veterans on 1 year deals lets us develop these young guys at the right pace then I think it is a worthwhile investment.  And hey, we might win a few more games in the process.
I am not clamoring for them to sign Valverde but if they did I won't grill them either, I see the value in it for a one year deal.  But for a 65-75 win team, it makes more sense to go with the kids at some point this year to see what they can offer in that role in the future.  Signing all these veterans on minor league deals is just insurance to give the kids more time to develop or replacements if they fail.  Moves that need to be made but nothing that will excite the fan base.  I just don't understand the desire by some to add veteran middle relievers for anywhere between $2-4M when we have tried that for sometime with little to no success.  Rather see what some of our own power arms can do with little chance of contention.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:51 AM

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I like this move. Especially no serious guarantee in case he stinks up the joint.

I feel like we need one more legit guy though. Someone that is worthy of a guarantee before I start to feel even a little bit good about our pen.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:16 PM

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No, not LaTroy Hawkins, noooooooooooflushed
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:28 PM

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Best news since the Bixler signing!!!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:41 PM

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RSVandy wrote: Best news since the Bixler signing!!!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:25 PM

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Andrew Bailey still available...?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:28 PM

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He has a rubber arm, still throws hard, has excellent reverse splits(can get lefties out as a  RH'er pitcher). If he can make some adjustments to his repetoire or mechanics against righties, he could be a nice addition.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:37 PM

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Matt Capps now apparently off the board going to CLE.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:45 PM

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How many guys are left that are worthy of a ML deal? KRod?

What about Kameron Loe? He was non-tendered by the Brewers. He's only 31 and is a year removed from a sub-3 FIP season.


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