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The Balk

Posted: 1/28/2013 1:39 PM

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Ha.  The Fake to Third, throw to first move is a now a balk.  That play is stupid anyway, but honestly, Id rather they change a lot more about the balk rule in general, since it is enforced so arbitrarily.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/spo...by-pitcher.html

Last edited 1/28/2013 1:39 PM by dcmets

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Posted: 1/28/2013 1:42 PM

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This point by Joe Torre would be sensible if he was talking about the balk rule in general, but i have no idea what he is talking about. I've never seen that move called a balk.

“To me, it’s been inconsistent because sometimes it’s called a balk and sometimes it isn’t. Obviously, it gets a little disjointed that way. Just my experience, added to what they want, I made a case for it. The feeling was, you’re deceiving the runner or the hitter.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:37 PM

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Baseball just got a little less exciting pirate
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:01 PM

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Now, I'll just hold my breath until the make the standard pick-off move lefties use a balk like it should be.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:17 PM

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minkusdominkus wrote: Now, I'll just hold my breath until the make the standard pick-off move lefties use a balk like it should be.

This^.  All changing this rule does is make the pick off advantage for LHP even greater.  The "fake to 3rd, throw to first" move was always the target of ridicule but it was all RHPs had to prevent basestealers from taking off for 2nd as soon as the the RHPs left heel moved.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:20 PM

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Stupid decision. Joe Torre is just a dumb dude.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:45 PM

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dcmets wrote: This point by Joe Torre would be sensible if he was talking about the balk rule in general, but i have no idea what he is talking about. I've never seen that move called a balk.

“To me, it’s been inconsistent because sometimes it’s called a balk and sometimes it isn’t. Obviously, it gets a little disjointed that way. Just my experience, added to what they want, I made a case for it. The feeling was, you’re deceiving the runner or the hitter.
I think the pitcher should only be able to throw to first if the catcher is standing up. This way no one will be deceived. Or maybe they should have to ask for permission.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:32 PM

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nobraves wrote:
dcmets wrote: This point by Joe Torre would be sensible if he was talking about the balk rule in general, but i have no idea what he is talking about. I've never seen that move called a balk.

“To me, it’s been inconsistent because sometimes it’s called a balk and sometimes it isn’t. Obviously, it gets a little disjointed that way. Just my experience, added to what they want, I made a case for it. The feeling was, you’re deceiving the runner or the hitter.
I think the pitcher should only be able to throw to first if the catcher is standing up. This way no one will be deceived. Or maybe they should have to ask for permission.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:07 PM

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Annoying game stalling play that worked 1% of the time. It's also when the game is at a fever pitch because ducks are on the pond so lets play ball. Stop slowing this excitement down. Glad the move was made.

Now if they could work on the lefties stepping 90% of the way towards home plate and still being allowed to throw to first without balking we'd have something.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:36 PM

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BootyCall wrote: Annoying game stalling play that worked 1% of the time. It's also when the game is at a fever pitch because ducks are on the pond so lets play ball. Stop slowing this excitement down. Glad the move was made.

Now if they could work on the lefties stepping 90% of the way towards home plate and still being allowed to throw to first without balking we'd have something.
The notion that it should be called a balk because it never worked is hilarious. That's a reason it's not a balk.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:37 PM

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My suggestion would be to get rid of the balk rule altogether, but charge the pitcher with a ball for every unsuccessful pickoff throw.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:46 AM

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throughthewickets wrote:
BootyCall wrote: Annoying game stalling play that worked 1% of the time. It's also when the game is at a fever pitch because ducks are on the pond so lets play ball. Stop slowing this excitement down. Glad the move was made.

Now if they could work on the lefties stepping 90% of the way towards home plate and still being allowed to throw to first without balking we'd have something.
The notion that it should be called a balk because it never worked is hilarious. That's a reason it's not a balk.
yeah, this is the league's solution for speeding up the game...  rolleyes
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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:06 AM

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Here's my question, how can they make this move illegal?

If the pitcher actually throws to third, that's a legit pick-off move, right? No balk. Well, what happens if he fakes the throw? Also a legit move, right? Just moving the runner back, no balk. Well, he's now off the rubber, so how could it be illegal for him to turn around and throw to first? I don't get how they could enforce the rule?

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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:12 AM

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minkusdominkus wrote: Here's my question, how can they make this move illegal?

If the pitcher actually throws to third, that's a legit pick-off move, right? No balk. Well, what happens if he fakes the throw? Also a legit move, right? Just moving the runner back, no balk. Well, he's now off the rubber, so how could it be illegal for him to turn around and throw to first? I don't get how they could enforce the rule?
it does raise the issue that either runner could get an unstoppable lead if throws weren't permitted to keep them close.
"Maybe it's time to make some moves."  - Sandy Alderson
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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:27 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote:
minkusdominkus wrote: Here's my question, how can they make this move illegal?

If the pitcher actually throws to third, that's a legit pick-off move, right? No balk. Well, what happens if he fakes the throw? Also a legit move, right? Just moving the runner back, no balk. Well, he's now off the rubber, so how could it be illegal for him to turn around and throw to first? I don't get how they could enforce the rule?
it does raise the issue that either runner could get an unstoppable lead if throws weren't permitted to keep them close.
Yeah, if you're a runner on first base and you see the pitcher fake a throw to third, why not dance around between the bases yelling "pitcher's got a big butt" knowing they can't throw back at you?
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:22 AM

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minkusdominkus wrote: Here's my question, how can they make this move illegal?

If the pitcher actually throws to third, that's a legit pick-off move, right? No balk. Well, what happens if he fakes the throw? Also a legit move, right? Just moving the runner back, no balk. Well, he's now off the rubber, so how could it be illegal for him to turn around and throw to first? I don't get how they could enforce the rule?
I think the rule is change is that you can not fake to 3rd without stepping back off the rubber. So if you lift your left leg, you are either going home, to 3rd, or to 2nd (if there is a runner on 2nd)... 

So just as it is with the bases empty...if you move that left leg before you move the right one... then there is no way you can throw the ball to 1st. 

All it does for the runner at 1st is give them the same jump they could get when 2nd and 3rd are empty. As soon as that left leg moves first, you can go...


So you can still fake to 3rd and throw to first if you step off the rubber with your right foot first.

(on edit: I'm with the players on this... don't think the rule should have been changed)

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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:25 AM

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Stepping off with a fake throw to 3rd -- then whipping one over to 1st doesn't accomplish much for a pitcher.

.......but then again, neither did this move....unless you were a special kind of stupid baserunner at that point in the game.  You really did have to be careless in this spot, to have gotten picked - and it did happen to guys at crucial points - albeit small amounts in contrast to the bigger picture. 

Still don't see the point in banning it.  All part of the game, IMHO.

"Use your head.....that's that lump 3 feet above your arse." - Jimmy Dugan

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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:28 AM

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Walnutz15 wrote: Stepping off with a fake throw to 3rd -- then whipping one over to 1st doesn't accomplish much for a pitcher. But then again, neither did this move....unless you were a special kind of stupid baserunner.
Yeah... I realize that. I was just exhausting all the options and explaining the nuance of the rule. 

It isn't outlawing the subsequent fake to 1st... its outlawing the fake to 3rd without stepping off the rubber first.
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