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Law's top 25 under 25 (Harvey ranked #17)

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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:13 PM

Law's top 25 under 25 (Harvey ranked #17) 


http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb...yers-age-25-mlb

Does not include prospects.

Harvey's report:

Current: Harvey's first major-league start was among the most electric I've ever seen; for five innings he was throwing fire and brimstone with a vicious slider and a fastball up to 98 mph, which isn't to denigrate his curve or changeup. He wasn't that precise package every time out, and his command still isn't very consistent, but that's a four-pitch mix that would work in the top two slots of most big-league rotations, right on top if he throws more and better-quality strikes with it.

Future: His delivery is much cleaner today than it was when he was a third-round pick out of high school or a struggling reliever in the Cape Cod League before his junior year of college, so there's no physical reason he can't improve his command and control to at least solid-average. He's also shown the aptitude to make major adjustments to his delivery, which bodes well for his ability to refine his pitching plan and dial back a little to improve his location.

Last edited 1/12/2013 5:16 PM by DocK16

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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:35 PM

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He has Heyward 3 and Stanton 4. Excellent debate..


Also Strasburg 5 vs Kershaw 6...    I would take Kershaw.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:50 PM

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Strasburg is better than Kershaw imo, but I'd rather have Kershaw mainly because I'm more confident in his ability to stay healthy.

I'd also rather have Stanton than Heyward, but I do believe Heyward belongs in the top 4-5.

I can't wait to see what Harper does this season.  I have a feeling he absolutely tears the league apart.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:56 PM

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These 4 top young outfielders could be setting up some sort of Mantle/Mays/Snider...Clemente/Aaron.. historic situation.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:59 PM

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I would rather have J. Upton than Heyward... but it is under 25 not 25 and under.


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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:14 PM

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Braves have had an unbelievable run at picking the right players and developing them. More to come!!!
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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:16 PM

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I would rather have J. Upton than Heyward... but it is under 25 not 25 and under.

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You are underrating heywards unbelievable defense and baserunning. He is the total package. If he could cut down on his strikeouts it would be scary.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:49 PM

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Andreltom Simmons is 21 and Kimbrel is 23.


Gotta say I would rather have Kimbrel and isn't close.  Kimbrel  just finished one of the best relief pitcher seasons of all time and Simmons is probably better then Ronny Cedeno, but I guess we'll see.   I don't get the love for him at all.

Great defensive SS's who cant hit ... not that hard to find.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:56 PM

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oct271986 wrote: These 4 top young outfielders could be setting up some sort of Mantle/Mays/Snider...Clemente/Aaron.. historic situation.

I'm more inclined to compare Heyward to Greg Oden.  

Trout, Harper, and Stanton are going to be out of this world, though. biggrin
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:00 PM

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oct271986 wrote: Andreltom Simmons is 21 and Kimbrel is 23.


Gotta say I would rather have Kimbrel and isn't close.  Kimbrel  just finished one of the best relief pitcher seasons of all time and Simmons is probably better then Ronny Cedeno, but I guess we'll see.   I don't get the love for him at all.

Great defensive SS's who cant hit ... not that hard to find.

Braves fans think he's a perfect blend of Ozzie Smith and Barry Larkin.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:06 PM

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I guess you guys are forgetting how much Keith was gushing over his potential at the plate. He is already the best defensive SS in baseball.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:07 PM

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oct271986 wrote: These 4 top young outfielders could be setting up some sort of Mantle/Mays/Snider...Clemente/Aaron.. historic situation.

I'm more inclined to compare Heyward to Greg Oden.  

Trout, Harper, and Stanton are going to be out of this world, though. biggrin

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That's what you're hoping for!!!
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:10 PM

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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:11 PM

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I meant Keith Hernandez. Your Keith.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:14 PM

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thethe wrote:

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oct271986 wrote: These 4 top young outfielders could be setting up some sort of Mantle/Mays/Snider...Clemente/Aaron.. historic situation.

I'm more inclined to compare Heyward to Greg Oden.  

Trout, Harper, and Stanton are going to be out of this world, though. biggrin

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That's what you're hoping for!!!

Was joking, of course.  I'd never wish that on anyone.  

Heyward still has to prove he can avoid the injury bug long-term, but there's no question he has the ability and upside to be one of the game's very best.  He's one of the few Braves players who aren't grossly overrated by the fan base, though I'm sure some of you guys still think he'll eventually hit 40-45 HR a year.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:16 PM

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thethe wrote: I meant Keith Hernandez. Your Keith.

He bases his opinion on what he sees over short stretches.  A hot 3-4 game stretch can leave a very strong impression to the naked eye.  Fools Braves fans all the time. tongue
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:19 PM

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You thought I was grossly overeating Kimbrel but I ended up underrating him. Braves are on an unbelievable role the last 5+ years. I have reason to believe these players are going to be good.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:20 PM

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What is the best case for Simmons?  Omar Vizquel?   Forget that Vizquel compiled great career numbers by playing forever...

At his peak, he was typically a 725-750 OPS guy with fine speed and great D. His career OPS+is 82. Looking at only his peak years, his OPS+ was 90 as an Indian, which eliminates his early and late yrs.

I would rather have the best reliever in baseball over that kind of player.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:20 PM

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thethe wrote: I meant Keith Hernandez. Your Keith.

He bases his opinion on what he sees over short stretches.  A hot 3-4 game stretch can leave a very strong impression to the naked eye.  Fools Braves fans all the time. tongue

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Keith > dock

I say that with all my love.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:21 PM

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thethe wrote: You thought I was grossly overeating Kimbrel but I ended up underrating him. Braves are on an unbelievable role the last 5+ years. I have reason to believe these players are going to be good.

Most fall way short of your expectations.  You guys are notorious for overrating your own.  The list throughout the years is beyond comical.
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