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Heyman: "Mets have quite a bit of $ left to spend"

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Posted: 1/6/2013 8:30 PM

Heyman: "Mets have quite a bit of $ left to spend" 


mets have quite a bit of $ left to spend. Looking at OF, pen, rotation.



Wait, what? eek
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Posted: 1/6/2013 8:32 PM

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Nobody really knows.  The Mets just took out a bunch of money in loans, and some people think it's gonna get funneled into the roster. 

Pessimists think the loans are so the Mets can cover impending losses.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 8:36 PM

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dondada10 wrote: Nobody really knows.  The Mets just took out a bunch of money in loans, and some people think it's gonna get funneled into the roster. 

Pessimists think the loans are so the Mets can cover impending losses.
This.  Wait and see.  We could interview ten different reporters and get ten different answers on what the Mets plan to do.  Heck, Adam Rubin reported that the Mets aren't going to add another outfielder, and a few hours later reported they might add an outfielder.  I'm not losing sleep on any lack of activity; I'm waiting to see how the rest of this plays out.

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Posted: 1/6/2013 8:38 PM

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Hopefully this is true, and we can invest the money into the 2013 draft and improve next offseason. Certainly SA is not stupid enough to go sign a Bourne or Lohse...
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Posted: 1/6/2013 8:55 PM

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Heyman fell asleep in the Hot Tub time machine again. :)

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Posted: 1/6/2013 9:22 PM

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Go ahead and tell me that this offseason hasn't turned into the worst sitcom in history.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 9:33 PM

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They should. I think some have been early w /their assumption they weren't going to spend, because some players have gone off the board, and some not being behind trading Dickey. There are a ton of FA's left. Are they're anything special? nah... but an exmp. of signing Hairston, Capps, Villanueva, possibly trading for Harang... Improves the team to at least be respectable and entertaining for the yr. when you know what's on deck on the farm combined w/ available $ going forward.

I'm honestly looking forward to the year.

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Posted: 1/6/2013 9:45 PM

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Gstacks177 wrote: They should. I think some have been early w /their assumption they weren't going to spend, because some players have gone off the board, and some not being behind trading Dickey. There are a ton of FA's left. Are they're anything special? nah... but an exmp. of signing Hairston, Capps, Villanueva, possibly trading for Harang... Improves the team to at least be respectable and entertaining for the yr. when you know what's on deck on the farm combined w/ available $ going forward.

I'm honestly looking forward to the year.

Pretty much the only players who sign early are those who are seeking multi-year deals.  We were never going to be in that market this off-season.  I'm disappointed we didn't make more of a play for Jason Frasor, because at $1.5M he could be an absolute steal, but Scott Hairston is still out there and so are several bargain barrel SP and relievers.  

I won't be surprised if Hairston eventually signs for 1-year/$5M.  Other fringe platoon guys like Ross and Ludwick got considerably more, but Hairston isn't viewed as favorably throughout baseball as either imo.  

I could see us bringing back Hairston, Rauch, and Chris Young.  Wouldn't that be exciting? biggrin

While most will moan and groan about that prospect, we're clearly better with those players than without.  I'd rather not go back to the Chris Young well again, but I think we could do much worse than Hairston and Rauch.  Rauch was surprisingly good last season and his advanced stats mostly support his production.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 10:09 PM

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I would prefer to spend on someone with some flipability like perhaps, Sizemore.   No matter what guys like Hairston and Young do, they will never have trade value.  

Signing guys like this to a1 yr deal when you are a 70 win team doesn't really do much to move the needle forward.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 10:44 PM

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oct271986 wrote: I would prefer to spend on someone with some flipability like perhaps, Sizemore.   No matter what guys like Hairston and Young do, they will never have trade value.  

Signing guys like this to a1 yr deal when you are a 70 win team doesn't really do much to move the needle forward.
Yeah, it doesn't have to be Sizemore exactly, but signing guys who might be flipped for prospects at the deadline sounds like a nice way to stock up on long term talent. The trouble is finding someone with the potential to be worth more than a C- prospect.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:18 PM

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throughthewickets wrote:
oct271986 wrote: I would prefer to spend on someone with some flipability like perhaps, Sizemore.   No matter what guys like Hairston and Young do, they will never have trade value.  

Signing guys like this to a1 yr deal when you are a 70 win team doesn't really do much to move the needle forward.
Yeah, it doesn't have to be Sizemore exactly, but signing guys who might be flipped for prospects at the deadline sounds like a nice way to stock up on long term talent. The trouble is finding someone with the potential to be worth more than a C- prospect.

Marcum in 2014?  Times out pretty well for our other pitching prospects too.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 2:24 AM

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DocK16 wrote:

Pretty much the only players who sign early are those who are seeking multi-year deals.  We were never going to be in that market this off-season.  I'm disappointed we didn't make more of a play for Jason Frasor, because at $1.5M he could be an absolute steal, but Scott Hairston is still out there and so are several bargain barrel SP and relievers.  

I won't be surprised if Hairston eventually signs for 1-year/$5M.  Other fringe platoon guys like Ross and Ludwick got considerably more, but Hairston isn't viewed as favorably throughout baseball as either imo.  

I could see us bringing back Hairston, Rauch, and Chris Young.  Wouldn't that be exciting? biggrin

While most will moan and groan about that prospect, we're clearly better with those players than without.  I'd rather not go back to the Chris Young well again, but I think we could do much worse than Hairston and Rauch.  Rauch was surprisingly good last season and his advanced stats mostly support his production.
Exactly!  People keep mocking the idea of bringing Rauch back, but the fact is that he was really good for most of last season.  Great in April, then he had some injury issues that clearly affected him in May and early June, but from mid-June on he was excellent  --  except for the very last week of the season when he seemed to lose something.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:04 AM

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ReallyBigFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote:

Pretty much the only players who sign early are those who are seeking multi-year deals.  We were never going to be in that market this off-season.  I'm disappointed we didn't make more of a play for Jason Frasor, because at $1.5M he could be an absolute steal, but Scott Hairston is still out there and so are several bargain barrel SP and relievers.  

I won't be surprised if Hairston eventually signs for 1-year/$5M.  Other fringe platoon guys like Ross and Ludwick got considerably more, but Hairston isn't viewed as favorably throughout baseball as either imo.  

I could see us bringing back Hairston, Rauch, and Chris Young.  Wouldn't that be exciting? biggrin

While most will moan and groan about that prospect, we're clearly better with those players than without.  I'd rather not go back to the Chris Young well again, but I think we could do much worse than Hairston and Rauch.  Rauch was surprisingly good last season and his advanced stats mostly support his production.
Exactly!  People keep mocking the idea of bringing Rauch back, but the fact is that he was really good for most of last season.  Great in April, then he had some injury issues that clearly affected him in May and early June, but from mid-June on he was excellent  --  except for the very last week of the season when he seemed to lose something.
Rauch benefited from a very low .222 babip in 2012 (his career avg in over 500 IP before that was about .275) so while Rauch got results it's not likely he'll be as successful again given mediocre peripherals (6+ K/9, and a modest 36% gb rate).  To me, he's a low leverage situation guy who should get around $1M, not the $3M the Mets paid him in '12.  I think there are still some better options out there but they'll prob get scooped up over the next few weeks.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:32 AM

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$5 is quite a bit of money to a homeless person. That's what the Mets have become. There was a time when quite a bit of money meant $50M per season or hundreds of millions of dollars over time. We handed out contracts to Carlos Beltran and Pedro Martinez in the same year in 2005. What's quite a bit of money now? $14M across 4 players?
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:33 AM

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shhaggy wrote: $5 is quite a bit of money to a homeless person. That's what the Mets have become. There was a time when quite a bit of money meant $50M per season or hundreds of millions of dollars over time. We handed out contracts to Carlos Beltran and Pedro Martinez in the same year in 2005. What's quite a bit of money now? $14M across 4 players?
EXCELLENT question. 

Wouldn't it be nice to know?
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:58 AM

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Yeah, I was also a Rauch apologist, but is he really going to take a $1M to pitch for us? Not likely, and we aint going to pay him much more than that.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 7:33 PM

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I don't think it is about the money. I think it is about value. The market is out of whack. Watch as the Yankees continue to peel off salary how the market will change over the next five years.

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$5 is quite a bit of money to a homeless person. That's what the Mets have become. There was a time when quite a bit of money meant $50M per season or hundreds of millions of dollars over time. We handed out contracts to Carlos Beltran and Pedro Martinez in the same year in 2005. What's quite a bit of money now? $14M across 4 players?

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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:08 AM

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nevets72 wrote: I don't think it is about the money. I think it is about value. The market is out of whack. Watch as the Yankees continue to peel off salary how the market will change over the next five years.

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$5 is quite a bit of money to a homeless person. That's what the Mets have become. There was a time when quite a bit of money meant $50M per season or hundreds of millions of dollars over time. We handed out contracts to Carlos Beltran and Pedro Martinez in the same year in 2005. What's quite a bit of money now? $14M across 4 players?

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History will show that it is the Mets perception of the "market" that it is out whack.  Usually teams that under-judge where the true market is for personnel at some point "get it" and jump in with some "catch up" in mind and make some bad deals.   Hopefully, that won't be the case for the 2013/14 season which if preceded by yet another bad losing season will come with immense pressure to finally SPEND the freed up budget money from the expiring contracts.

Don't take any shared solace in the Yankees off-season.  They are trying to manage their payroll (still #1) to be < $189M by 2014.  Also, have to allocate budget money for Cano.  They won 95 games last year and should be just fine.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:40 AM

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I've got to second KABOOM's post at least in terms of perception of the market. This is the new normal. I don't think Sandy will ever succumb to pressure to spend for spending's sake. That's one of his virtues. He may be too cautious, even when the money is available, and I think that could be one of his flaws. There's a balance somewhere, and he's definitely not on the money-throwing side of that balance.

I don't think the Yankees have the #1 payroll anymore, though. That's the Dodgers now. They've basically taken the Yankees place while the Yankees attempt to dial it back to Boston/Philly levels.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:49 AM

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DocK16 wrote:
Gstacks177 wrote: They should. I think some have been early w /their assumption they weren't going to spend, because some players have gone off the board, and some not being behind trading Dickey. There are a ton of FA's left. Are they're anything special? nah... but an exmp. of signing Hairston, Capps, Villanueva, possibly trading for Harang... Improves the team to at least be respectable and entertaining for the yr. when you know what's on deck on the farm combined w/ available $ going forward.

I'm honestly looking forward to the year.

Pretty much the only players who sign early are those who are seeking multi-year deals.  We were never going to be in that market this off-season.  I'm disappointed we didn't make more of a play for Jason Frasor....
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