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ESPN: Who is next? (Baseball)

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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:35 PM

ESPN: Who is next? (Baseball) 


Evidently the Mets are next with two players nominated out of five (nod.gif):

Travis d'Arnaud

Despite never having played a major league inning, Travis d'Arnaud can claim the distinction of being trade bait for a Cy Young winner. Moved this month from the Blue Jays to the Mets in the deal that sent R.A. Dickey to Toronto, d'Arnaud is on the fast track to rivaling Buster Poseyas the game's best catcher. D'Arnaud spent all of 2011 in Double-A, finishing the season as the Easter League MVP. "He's a complete package," says Tony LaCava, Toronto's vice president of operations and assistant general manager. "An above-average defensive catcher and an above-average offensive player. To find a guy like that is rare." After the 2011 season, Baseball America named d'Arnaud the Best Defensive Catcher in the Eastern League and the No. 2 Eastern League prospect (behind a certain kid named Bryce). "He's always been a leader and a student of the game, but that was his breakout year, when he put it all together," LaCava says. Last year d'Arnaud hit .333/.380/.595 at Triple-A and was on the verge of a midseason call-up before a knee injury kept him out the rest of the season. Now that he's healthy again, expect to see him on Opening Day in New York. -- Amy Brachmann


Matt Harvey

The Mets might have finally found the ace they've been searching for. A series of injuries to New York's starters led to Matt Harvey's July 26 debut, in which he pitched 5.1 innings, allowing three hits and three walks and striking out 11 (a franchise record for a first start ). Oh, and he got a couple of hits too, making him the first player since 1900 to get 10-plus strikeouts and two hits in his first major league game. The rest of the season, Harvey dominated, finishing with 70 strikeouts, a 2.73 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP. "Matt Harvey was better than advertised," Mets manager Terry Collins says. Noticed by teams as a high school pitcher, Harvey was drafted by the Angels in the third round in 2007 but opted to pitch for three years at the University of North Carolina. Now, even though he's with the Mets, he hasn't stopped studying. "On the games he doesn't pitch, he's on the bench trying to learn -- talking to catchers, looking at stats, questioning our pitching coach," Collins says. "When we shut him down last year for innings, he was like a caged lion." -- Amy Brachmann

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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:50 PM

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Isn't this the same ESPN feature that put Kaz Matsui on the cover of the magazine? devil


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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:52 PM

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Absentminded wrote: Isn't this the same ESPN feature that put Kaz Matsui on the cover of the magazine? devil

Shhhhh! pirate

Now you've given all the critics of the Dickey trade all the leverage they need to spin this as a negative. biggrin
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:01 PM

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the expect to see d'Arnaud on opening day stuff is probably a stretch.... more likely may or june.


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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:07 PM

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xmulderx wrote: the expect to see d'Arnaud on opening day stuff is probably a stretch.... more likely may or june.

I'll take it, because that would mean he had a monster spring.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:18 PM

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xmulderx wrote: the expect to see d'Arnaud on opening day stuff is probably a stretch.... more likely may or june.

I definitely don't expect to see D'Arnaud before May.  He's a notoriously slow starter so that's probably for the best anyway, but the Mets will do it to delay the start of his arbitration clock.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:19 PM

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Under the old CBA, June was a safe from being super twos.fe bet for super twos. Under the new agreement between July 1 and the All-star break are likely to be potential super twos. Look for him after the All-Star break.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:20 PM

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xmulderx wrote: the expect to see d'Arnaud on opening day stuff is probably a stretch.... more likely may or june.

If we keep him in AAA for 20 days, we gain an extra year of service, so my guess is that we'll play April with John Buck at catcher, and see where the team is, and go from there.

The dreaded sig of doom has chosen future hall of famer Jason Heyward as its target.

May the baseball gods have mercy on your soul!

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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:22 PM

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I think it's extremely likely that he (and maybe Wheeler) gets called up exactly whenever they can do that without burning a year on his clock. I really hate the way the system works that way, because it discourages teams from having promising rookies break camp and play the whole year in the bigs.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:23 PM

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Super pumped to have two players nominated, trivial as the exercise may be.  I think it's a sign that we're headed in the right direction.  We aren't/weren't getting anywhere without elite young talent.  Now we have three players who qualify as both young and elite.  That's a start, which is more than many teams can boast.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:26 PM

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throughthewickets wrote: I think it's extremely likely that he (and maybe Wheeler) gets called up exactly whenever they can do that without burning a year on his clock. I really hate the way the system works that way, because it discourages teams from having promising rookies break camp and play the whole year in the bigs.

I've wondered to myself if it isn't a little overrated.  Most really good up-and-comers sign contracts well before they hit FA that buy out all of their arby years and typically a year or two of their FA years.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:38 PM

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DocK16 wrote:
throughthewickets wrote: I think it's extremely likely that he (and maybe Wheeler) gets called up exactly whenever they can do that without burning a year on his clock. I really hate the way the system works that way, because it discourages teams from having promising rookies break camp and play the whole year in the bigs.

I've wondered to myself if it isn't a little overrated.  Most really good up-and-comers sign contracts well before they hit FA that buy out all of their arby years and typically a year or two of their FA years.
Well, you basically get an extra 4 months or so of the player at league minimum, right? I guess that last year of control you end up paying a premium anyway, since their arb value will be high or you'll pay a similar amount if you buy out the years in advance.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:42 PM

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Personally, I think you should promote a prospect based on when you think will be best for the player in terms of their development.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:45 PM

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throughthewickets wrote: Personally, I think you should promote a prospect based on when you think will be best for the player in terms of their development.

Agreed.  The only exception is small market teams like the Rays.  That extra year matters for them.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:17 PM

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I've run the numbers before and the $$ savings are pretty small -- but at the same time if the player being on the MLB roster or not being there has minimal chance of impacting your teams season [like with the 2013 Mets], maybe I rather take my chances with a full year from him in the distant future than now and get the small overall $$ savings as just icing on the cake.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:36 PM

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xmulderx wrote: the expect to see d'Arnaud on opening day stuff is probably a stretch.... more likely may or june.
Why wouldn't d'Arnaud start the season with the Mets?  He played in AAA last year and the Mets are not expecting to contend, so let him develop against major league pitching.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:52 PM

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The real problem with super 2s is that you have less info on the player you might want to tie up with a long-term contract and that's were the risks lie. For instance, if you bring up d'Arnaud before July, you need to tie him up after 2014 to get any real savings from said contract. Whereas. if you bring him up after July, you have until after 2015.

The idea is that the year before arbitration, players earn less than $1 million, and first of arbitration eligibily they make $1-$3 million. You pay d'Arnaud say $2.5 million for the pre-arbitration year, and 5 million for the first arby yr., pay what you anticipate he'll get arby years 2 and 3, and then you tie him up for two FA yrs at a considerable savings. If you wait until he's arby eligible, then to get any savings you have to pay more during the arby years to get savings from extending contracts beyond FA.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:12 PM

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omnimetfan wrote:
xmulderx wrote: the expect to see d'Arnaud on opening day stuff is probably a stretch.... more likely may or june.
Why wouldn't d'Arnaud start the season with the Mets?  He played in AAA last year and the Mets are not expecting to contend, so let him develop against major league pitching.
He's coming off an injury and hasn't been playing at AAA for a bit.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 6:04 PM

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DocK16 wrote: Super pumped to have two players nominated, trivial as the exercise may be.  I think it's a sign that we're headed in the right direction.  We aren't/weren't getting anywhere without elite young talent.  Now we have three players who qualify as both young and elite.  That's a start, which is more than many teams can boast.

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