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OT: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton?

Posted: 12/31/2012 10:03 AM

OT: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton? 


I would offer Harvey, Flores, Palewski, and Fulmer for Stanton just to test the waters. Why Harvey, he is a Boros client who will go to the highest bidder later.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:16 AM

RE: Harvey +++ for Stanton 


Rangers will dangle Profar and nobody else will have a chance.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:34 AM

RE: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton? 


Whether or not the Marlins are seriously shopping him right now, I'd say they have a fantastic opportunity to seriously stock-up this winter.

Even if it's overstated by the media, Stanton can't be pleased with having an entire Major League roster of friends wiped out within a couple of months - and that does things to a player's motivation-level.

If he makes a big enough stink (or shows a less than diplomatic temperament), then he'll be moved -- IMHO.....especially if the right offer presents itself. 

You'd rather make a move like this while his value's tremendously high -- rather than deal with a situation where he "has quad stiffness" and conveniently stays out of the lineup for a week or two....let alone if he legitimately does get banged-up.

.......but that's just me.  I'm more than interested in seeing this play out; regardless of where he winds up.

The return on him is very intriguing.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:49 AM

RE: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton? 


Maybe having 2 young controllable, projectable outfielders on the market helps loosen up the market a little bit. 

Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:03 PM

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thethe wrote: Rangers will dangle Profar and nobody else will have a chance.
Agreed 100%.  And if Profar alone isn't enough (he probably isn't), a third baseman they don't need in Olt, and possibly a third major prospect (Perez?  Martin?) with maybe some additional pieces moving like David Murphy, Logan Morrison and Ricky Nolasco, seems like the foundation of a deal.  Hard to see someone topping that.  And Stanton isn't Delgado, Piazza, LoDuca, Leiter, Uggla, etc.; I'd imagine a much higher premium for dealing a talent like Stanton intra-division.  I don't think the Mets could compete.

Rangers pull off a deal for Stanton, and all their misses this year (Hamilton, Shields, Greinke, and Upton thus far) are forgotten.  And losing their own big FAs (Hamilton, Wilson, Lee) leaves them with plenty of cash to eventually lock him up.

I could also see the Red Sox as a player.  The two teams talked about Reyes/Johnson before the Toronto deal, and the Marlins asked for Bogaerts, Doubront and Middlebrooks.  If Boston is willing to move/add to that package (Bradley?), I could see something working out.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:26 PM

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I would guess the most likely scenario is he stays with the Marlins at least until he hits his arb years.  That would be better timing for the Mets to trade for him anyway.  The Mets have nice depth with pitching now, but a lot of the guys are still far away or still question marks with regard to what their projections are.  Within a year or two, the system will be deeper and guys will have more solid prospect value.  I would say the Mets will be in perfect position to trade for a guy like Stanton, say after the 2014 season, right when he is getting pricey for the Marlins (that is, if the Marlins are not blown away by the Rangers before then or one of the few top prospect heavy/win-now organizations out there).
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:29 PM

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I would guess the most likely scenario is he stays with the Marlins at least until he hits his arb years.  That would be better timing for the Mets to trade for him anyway.  The Mets have nice depth with pitching now, but a lot of the guys are still far away or still question marks with regard to what their projections are.  Within a year or two, the system will be deeper and guys will have more solid prospect value.  I would say the Mets will be in perfect position to trade for a guy like Stanton, say after the 2014 season, right when he is getting pricey for the Marlins (that is, if the Marlins are not blown away by the Rangers before then or one of the few top prospect heavy/win-now organizations out there).

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The Mets don't match up on Stanton for two reasons: 1) the Marlins won't want to face GS 19 times a season, and 2) the Mets lack position prospects to swing the deal. Arm prospects aren't enough to acquire a young slugger like that.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:36 PM

RE: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton? 



DuffyDyer wrote:

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I would guess the most likely scenario is he stays with the Marlins at least until he hits his arb years.  That would be better timing for the Mets to trade for him anyway.  The Mets have nice depth with pitching now, but a lot of the guys are still far away or still question marks with regard to what their projections are.  Within a year or two, the system will be deeper and guys will have more solid prospect value.  I would say the Mets will be in perfect position to trade for a guy like Stanton, say after the 2014 season, right when he is getting pricey for the Marlins (that is, if the Marlins are not blown away by the Rangers before then or one of the few top prospect heavy/win-now organizations out there).

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The Mets don't match up on Stanton for two reasons: 1) the Marlins won't want to face GS 19 times a season, and 2) the Mets lack position prospects to swing the deal. Arm prospects aren't enough to acquire a young slugger like that.
You are definitely right, now.  However, it's possible that things will look different after the 2014 season, when I said the Mets would be in best position to make a very strong offer.  Like you said, it's also unlikely they will want to trade him in the division, but, end of the day, they will probably trade him for the best return even if it's within the division.  

I would not say it's impossible, but if the Mets are major players for him there is no doubt it will cost a package of prospects that will hurt a great deal to give up.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:19 PM

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RE: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton?
More than the Mets should offer

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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:43 PM

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HadronsAtHome wrote:
RE: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton?
More than the Mets should offer

+1

Stanton is going to be crazy good, especially if he ever gets out of that atrocity of a stadium in Miami, but only teams with a surplus of big league and MiL talent should pursue him.  Otherwise you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul, as DrDooby likes to say.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:46 PM

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DocK16 wrote:
HadronsAtHome wrote:
RE: What Might It Take To Land Giancarlo Stanton?
More than the Mets should offer

+1

Stanton is going to be crazy good, especially if he ever gets out of that atrocity of a stadium in Miami, but only teams with a surplus of big league and MiL talent should pursue him.  Otherwise you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul, as DrDooby likes to say.
Hey, as long as I get paid, I don't care what you do with Peter. But yeah, I understand the fascination with Stanton, but I don't think he's going to be available at a price that makes sense. that's just trading some talent for some other talent. The goal should be to increase talent long term.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 10:15 PM

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Mike Stanton

for

Wheeler, Syndergaard, Flores, and Reese Havens

That's an even trade but I don't do it or any other trade that would be considered fair. Stanton should be incredibly painful to get.  Too painful for me.

I have visions of Wheeler, Harvey, and Niese leading this team for years to come and this clearly messes with that plan.


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Posted: 1/1/2013 6:26 AM

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Mike Stanton

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Wheeler, Syndergaard, Flores, and Reese Havens

That's an even trade but I don't do it or any other trade that would be considered fair. Stanton should be incredibly painful to get.  Too painful for me.

I have visions of Wheeler, Harvey, and Niese leading this team for years to come and this clearly messes with that plan.






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And Syndergaard is a great hedge against one of Harvey or Wheeler not working out as hoped in terms of featuring a longterm high- end rotation. I'd like to see the Mets build a team around high end pitching and a supporting cast of above average hitters vs investing into One superstar like Stanton..
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Posted: 1/1/2013 7:41 AM

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I don't see how this could make sense for the Mets and Stanton should have enormous trade value. I would think a trade would have to start with 2 from Harvey, Wheeler, TDA, plus 2 more from the next tier down (Syndergard, Flores, etc.). In effect, this guts your system when were still a ways away.

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Posted: 1/1/2013 8:56 AM

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If that is what it costs, than Stanton should stay a Marlin. Given that the Marlins have already burned through two of Stanton's ~free years, they only need -one- of those guys to turn into very good players [or two to become slightly above average players] to make this a good deal for them.

The deal DrDooby presented, if I was in the Marlins shoes, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I honestly doubt they get a better offer than that.

In a year, when Stanton has no ~free years left and is probably looking at a record or near record first-year arbitration award, if Harvey/Wheeler have 'established' themselves, it could be a 1-for-1
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Posted: 2/26/2013 10:34 AM

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Just bumping this, since I more or less put it out of mind in hearing it yesterday --- but multiple outlets were discussing it on talk radio by this morning.

A source close to the SFX Baseball Group, an agency representing some of the biggest stars in the game, told me this morning that the Marlins have recently discussed a trade that would include sending recently signed Juan Pierre (an SFX client) and Giancarlo Stanton to the New York Mets, for super pitching prospect Zack Wheeler, obtained from the Giants in the Carlos Beltran trade, and minor league catcher Travis D’Arnaud, the centerpiece in the R.A. Dickey deal. But wait, the Marlins are publicly telling people that Stanton will not be traded, aren’t they? They sure are, but pay no attention because no Marlins executive is to be believed, most notably Jeffrey Loria, the team’s owner.



http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/...on-trade-talks/


Granted, the talk is going to be how the Mets need to swing a deal for an outfielder until the time they break camp - and how Stanton has been unhappy with the direction of the Marlins since the megadeal with Toronto.

I absolutely love Stanton, and feel he'll be dealt somewhere within the 2013 season - however, I'd stop right then and there if the price definitively cost Wheeler.

This deal is pretty bunk, considering the Wheeler hype is at its highest point - and the average Met fan is just starting to become aware of the guy we've all been discussing since the Beltran trade.

Work-around another package, though and I'd be right in on him.....including a name like d'Arnaud.

Whoever talks with the Marlins...it's gonna cost a ton right now.  Which is why they should definitely be open to moving him.  Tremendous value for this kid right now, and really - I doubt it'd be any higher...especially with potential for becoming disenchanted with playing somewhere.

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Posted: 2/26/2013 10:43 AM

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This deal is pretty bunk, considering the Wheeler hype is at its highest point - and the average Met fan is just starting to become aware of the guy we've all been discussing since the Beltran trade.

Work-around another package, though and I'd be right in on him.....including a name like d'Arnaud.


has any other player ever been traded 3 times before reaching the majors?
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Posted: 2/26/2013 10:52 AM

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- Idunno, but definitely wouldn't balk at it, provided it brings back a bomb-bat like Stanton's.

Granted, we all know what's been written about d'Arnaud. I'd be happy to have him here, developing with our young pitchers and blossoming on a Major League stage. However, I'm leery about putting so much stock in a catcher.....no matter how talented and high of a ceiling he has. Just me.

If you could somehow swing a deal with a Syndergaard-type arm, in lieu of Wheeler's - while adding to the pot from other areas of the Minor Leagues....and it makes some sense?

There are actually a bunch of ways to restructure this package, including a Major League player like Murphy - who could actually play 3B down there on a reasonable salary. Then again, Stanton's still not making any money this year.....they might look exclusively for young guys not making dough.

.......don't see how you'd be acquiring any better than Stanton for the middle of your lineup. And the Marlins should know that when speaking with interested clubs.

Not saying it's even a legit possibility. Just interesting to discuss.

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Posted: 2/26/2013 10:53 AM

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I would trade Wheeler for Giancarlo Stanton.  The Mets are loaded with good young pitching prospects but very sorely need a middle of the order bat like Stanton.  You have give up a prime prospect to get a proven prime player with many years remaining before his free agency.  I would do that deal in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 10:54 AM

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This is the kind of discussion that flies in the face of the new metrics, and is the kind of thing that DPD was against while at Oakland. Remember the scene in Moneyball where the DPD character proved to the "experienced baseball guys" that you don't need the one big bopper if you can equal that player's performance with two or three other players in the lineup? I doubt he would go along with this kind of deal.
I'd rather keep all the good young players with a high upside that you can and fight against the urge to go for the superstar.

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