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July trade deadline

Posted: 12/23/2012 7:10 PM

July trade deadline 


This will be Sandy's next major piece added to the puzzle, if and only if we have someone of value who is expendable. It could be Santana, Buck, Francisco, Parnell, Pavano, Hariston. Let one of these guys have a good year and the stare down will begin. I know Pavano has not signed but he could, as well as a trade for Capuano. We can only hope.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 7:13 PM

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Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 7:20 PM

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DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 7:28 PM

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If Parnell proves capable of holding down the closer's role, we should absolutely keep him.  We aren't going to find a more cost-effective closer elsewhere.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 10:45 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
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Posted: 12/23/2012 11:11 PM

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ReyesRules wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
Harvey and Wheeler, along with the other young arms will take longer than you think.  We still need 2-3 high impact pieces.  If you haven't noticed, the prices for free agency are outrageous.  We are a 100 million dollar payroll team barring the sale of the team.  That's reality.  We can't afford 2-3 major free agents in our everyday lineup.  We need more young, contollable players to compete.  Niese is only one, but if he can net 2-3 more in a trade, it would certainly be worth it.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 11:21 PM

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DocK16 wrote: If Parnell proves capable of holding down the closer's role, we should absolutely keep him.  We aren't going to find a more cost-effective closer elsewhere.
I dunno man.  I think if we get lucky enough for Parnell to perform decently as a closer, we need to trade him.  I just don't believe in him long term.  If someone overpays, let them.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 11:46 PM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
ReyesRules wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
Harvey and Wheeler, along with the other young arms will take longer than you think.  We still need 2-3 high impact pieces.  If you haven't noticed, the prices for free agency are outrageous.  We are a 100 million dollar payroll team barring the sale of the team.  That's reality.  We can't afford 2-3 major free agents in our everyday lineup.  We need more young, contollable players to compete.  Niese is only one, but if he can net 2-3 more in a trade, it would certainly be worth it.
If that's your belief then why trade Niese? He is a young lefty who compared to the market is signed cheap even at his current production from last season.  His average salary for the next 4 seasons is about 6M.  If you include his 2 team option years that is average salary of 7.5M for the next 6 years.  Seems like pretty good value to me even at his current production.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 12:01 AM

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rookie7 wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
ReyesRules wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
Harvey and Wheeler, along with the other young arms will take longer than you think.  We still need 2-3 high impact pieces.  If you haven't noticed, the prices for free agency are outrageous.  We are a 100 million dollar payroll team barring the sale of the team.  That's reality.  We can't afford 2-3 major free agents in our everyday lineup.  We need more young, contollable players to compete.  Niese is only one, but if he can net 2-3 more in a trade, it would certainly be worth it.
If that's your belief then why trade Niese? He is a young lefty who compared to the market is signed cheap even at his current production from last season.  His average salary for the next 4 seasons is about 6M.  If you include his 2 team option years that is average salary of 7.5M for the next 6 years.  Seems like pretty good value to me even at his current production.
Like I said, we need 2-3 more young pieces, Niese is only 1.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 12:04 AM

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Did I miss something about Pavano?
Are the Mets really interested in Carl Pavano?
Dear Lord no...

bayoumet wrote: This will be Sandy's next major piece added to the puzzle, if and only if we have someone of value who is expendable. It could be Santana, Buck, Francisco, Parnell, Pavano, Hariston. Let one of these guys have a good year and the stare down will begin. I know Pavano has not signed but he could, as well as a trade for Capuano. We can only hope.

David Wright is not the problem with this team.
MARIO

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Posted: 12/24/2012 12:20 AM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
rookie7 wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
ReyesRules wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
Harvey and Wheeler, along with the other young arms will take longer than you think.  We still need 2-3 high impact pieces.  If you haven't noticed, the prices for free agency are outrageous.  We are a 100 million dollar payroll team barring the sale of the team.  That's reality.  We can't afford 2-3 major free agents in our everyday lineup.  We need more young, contollable players to compete.  Niese is only one, but if he can net 2-3 more in a trade, it would certainly be worth it.
If that's your belief then why trade Niese? He is a young lefty who compared to the market is signed cheap even at his current production from last season.  His average salary for the next 4 seasons is about 6M.  If you include his 2 team option years that is average salary of 7.5M for the next 6 years.  Seems like pretty good value to me even at his current production.
Like I said, we need 2-3 more young pieces, Niese is only 1.
Doesn't guarantee that those young pieces amount to anything.  Niese has proven to be a solid major league pitcher.  Young and cheap pitching is tough to find.  If he had not signed that team friendly contract I might agree with you.  Niese would probably command double what he is worth now in the open market.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 12:37 AM

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rookie7 wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
rookie7 wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
ReyesRules wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
Harvey and Wheeler, along with the other young arms will take longer than you think.  We still need 2-3 high impact pieces.  If you haven't noticed, the prices for free agency are outrageous.  We are a 100 million dollar payroll team barring the sale of the team.  That's reality.  We can't afford 2-3 major free agents in our everyday lineup.  We need more young, contollable players to compete.  Niese is only one, but if he can net 2-3 more in a trade, it would certainly be worth it.
If that's your belief then why trade Niese? He is a young lefty who compared to the market is signed cheap even at his current production from last season.  His average salary for the next 4 seasons is about 6M.  If you include his 2 team option years that is average salary of 7.5M for the next 6 years.  Seems like pretty good value to me even at his current production.
Like I said, we need 2-3 more young pieces, Niese is only 1.
Doesn't guarantee that those young pieces amount to anything.  Niese has proven to be a solid major league pitcher.  Young and cheap pitching is tough to find.  If he had not signed that team friendly contract I might agree with you.  Niese would probably command double what he is worth now in the open market.
I think that people forget the health/injury risk Niese is.  He has heart problems, and lets not forget that freak accident with his hamstring.  If he yields a Dickey like return, a trade will be more than worth it.  This is about converting current assetts into future assets, combining them with our draft picks and international FAs in order to create a window.  If we can get that window without trading Niese, fine, I just don't think it's possible.
Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 1:13 AM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
rookie7 wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
rookie7 wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
ReyesRules wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
Harvey and Wheeler, along with the other young arms will take longer than you think.  We still need 2-3 high impact pieces.  If you haven't noticed, the prices for free agency are outrageous.  We are a 100 million dollar payroll team barring the sale of the team.  That's reality.  We can't afford 2-3 major free agents in our everyday lineup.  We need more young, contollable players to compete.  Niese is only one, but if he can net 2-3 more in a trade, it would certainly be worth it.
If that's your belief then why trade Niese? He is a young lefty who compared to the market is signed cheap even at his current production from last season.  His average salary for the next 4 seasons is about 6M.  If you include his 2 team option years that is average salary of 7.5M for the next 6 years.  Seems like pretty good value to me even at his current production.
Like I said, we need 2-3 more young pieces, Niese is only 1.
Doesn't guarantee that those young pieces amount to anything.  Niese has proven to be a solid major league pitcher.  Young and cheap pitching is tough to find.  If he had not signed that team friendly contract I might agree with you.  Niese would probably command double what he is worth now in the open market.
I think that people forget the health/injury risk Niese is.  He has heart problems, and lets not forget that freak accident with his hamstring.  If he yields a Dickey like return, a trade will be more than worth it.  This is about converting current assetts into future assets, combining them with our draft picks and international FAs in order to create a window.  If we can get that window without trading Niese, fine, I just don't think it's possible.
Seeing how the Mets have Niese signed to a fair contract for the next 6 years I take you believe that this team's window is not until the next decade?  You yourself brought up how expensive free agents.  Niese is signed cheap for what kind of production he gives you.

 How long do you think Harvey and Wheeler take to develop?  Harvey has already made 10 starts and Wheeler is expected to make his debut in 2013.  Even by 2016 Harvey and Wheeler would have 3 years of experience and Niese would still only be 29 entering the 2016 season.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 1:18 AM

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mari06t6 wrote: Did I miss something about Pavano?
Are the Mets really interested in Carl Pavano?
Dear Lord no...

bayoumet wrote: This will be Sandy's next major piece added to the puzzle, if and only if we have someone of value who is expendable. It could be Santana, Buck, Francisco, Parnell, Pavano, Hariston. Let one of these guys have a good year and the stare down will begin. I know Pavano has not signed but he could, as well as a trade for Capuano. We can only hope.

We are currently interested in anyone with a pulse who might happen to be willing to sign with us for dirt cheap.

The dreaded sig of doom has chosen future hall of famer Jason Heyward as its target.

May the baseball gods have mercy on your soul!

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Posted: 12/24/2012 1:18 AM

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There's a point at which it's no longer about converting current assets into future assets. At some point, you need current assets that are good enough to compete. I think that's the near future, like 2014/2015. Planning exclusively 3+ years away makes little sense. Eventually you need to win some games at the major league level. There's no reason Niese can't be a part of that. He's under control at team-friendly rates through 2017.

Dickey was just traded for 3 potential assets. The key there is potential. If one of those guys turns out to be successful, that will be good. If two are successful, that's great. But don't count on it.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 1:56 AM

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just what we need.  Another guy whos proven that he cant play in NY.
headscalper wrote:
mari06t6 wrote: Did I miss something about Pavano?
Are the Mets really interested in Carl Pavano?
Dear Lord no...

bayoumet wrote: This will be Sandy's next major piece added to the puzzle, if and only if we have someone of value who is expendable. It could be Santana, Buck, Francisco, Parnell, Pavano, Hariston. Let one of these guys have a good year and the stare down will begin. I know Pavano has not signed but he could, as well as a trade for Capuano. We can only hope.

We are currently interested in anyone with a pulse who might happen to be willing to sign with us for dirt cheap.

David Wright is not the problem with this team.
MARIO

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Posted: 12/24/2012 3:20 AM

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VAMetsFan wrote:
ReyesRules wrote:
VAMetsFan wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Santana is our best hope for a solid deadline deal return, followed distantly by Hairston.  Parnell isn't going anywhere and odds are those other players won't return much.

The time to add a major piece is now.
Honestly, if Parnell were decent in the closer's role, he would have signigicant value.  For what its worth, If Gorski makes it to the majors this year, I think Niese becomes expendable on next year's offseason trade market, especially if he continues his current upward progression.    If he gets his ERA to around 3.00 and wins about 15 games, with his contract you should get a return equal to the james Shields trade.
Then why in the HELL would we trade him?!?! That's when we will just start to contend and Niese can be a HUGE part of that...
Harvey and Wheeler, along with the other young arms will take longer than you think.  We still need 2-3 high impact pieces.  If you haven't noticed, the prices for free agency are outrageous.  We are a 100 million dollar payroll team barring the sale of the team.  That's reality.  We can't afford 2-3 major free agents in our everyday lineup.  We need more young, contollable players to compete.  Niese is only one, but if he can net 2-3 more in a trade, it would certainly be worth it.

It´s one thing trading a 38-year-old soon-to-be free agent SP. It´s another trading a 26-year-old LHSP signed to a team friendly longterm contract.
Niese should be very valuable and around by 2015 or 2016 when he´ll be 28/29 respectively, entering those seasons . And if Harvey, Wheeler & Co. aren´t producing by then, this entire rebuilding won´t have worked out anyway.

Again, Jon Niese basically has emerged as a borderline # 2 SP and at least a very strong # 3. Darin Gorski´s upside is basically a borderline # 4 SP.
It´s similar to saying Matt Harvey will be expendable if Collin McHugh is up by mid summer. McHugh & Gorski, btw, are less than a year younger than Niese btw.

If the Mets are selling at the deadline, Johan Santana, Bobby Parnell, Daniel Murphy, John Buck and whoever gets picked up cheaply between now & spring as a free agent probably is the most likely trade target.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 5:57 AM

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First of all it all depends on how players are doing.

Second of all it also depends on how players are doing at AAA level. When prospects like Tovar, Havens, Den Dekker, Lagares, McHugh, Gorski, Flores are ready the Mets might be willing to deal Tejada, Murphy, Nieuwenhuis, Gee, Fat Frank also.

And last, but not least, it also depends on the players that come back. Judging Sandy on his trades with Beltran and Dickey and the rumours about what he wanted for Hairston (a top 3 prospect from teamX) Sandy always asks for the moon. And he should! But that makes it not easy to make a trade.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 8:24 AM

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This is just sad. it's December and all we have for 2013 is to wonder who we can dump at the trade deadline 7 months from now.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 8:30 AM

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I am not signaling out anyone just hoping someone not in our future plans plays well enough to be wanted by a contending team. I have no idea who Sandy will sign before the season starts but maybe we could hit gold and move them for a hidden jewel. We did it with Dickey
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