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Grade The Trade

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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:32 PM

Grade The Trade 


Mets receive

C - Travis D'Arnaud
SP - Noah Snydergaard
C - John Buck
OF - Wuilmer Becerra

Blue Jays receive

SP - R.A. Dickey
C - Josh Thole
C - Mike Nickeas

    What grade do you give the Mets for this trade?

  1. Poll closed on 12/24/2012
  2. A: 77 votes
  3. B: 14 votes
  4. C: 0 votes
  5. D: 1 vote
  6. F: 0 votes


17 & 14 = Best Duo In NY Sports
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:35 PM

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Finally official!


17 & 14 = Best Duo In NY Sports
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:44 PM

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Not to be critical of anyone's vote, but considering Dickey's age, and the fact that the Mets with or without Dickey are the 4th best team in the NL EAST, A++. Correct move for a GM looking 2-5 years ahead, not 1. thumbsup.gif
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:51 PM

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danfran wrote: Not to be critical of anyone's vote, but considering Dickey's age, and the fact that the Mets with or without Dickey are the 4th best team in the NL EAST, A++. Correct move for a GM looking 2-5 years ahead, not 1. thumbsup.gif

That is where I disagree.  Even looking to one year ahead this may be the right move.  The arrivals of Harvey and Wheeler I think gave the Mets an opportunity to trade from strength to fill a weakness.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:51 PM

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F, I can't believe that they gave up Nickeas!
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:59 PM

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RSVandy wrote: F, I can't believe that they gave up Nickeas!
Better than Kaupe. noidea


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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:03 PM

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Don't worry Nickeas fans, come late March, he'll be DFA'd and comfortably back in the fold.  Sandy really IS a genius!
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:03 PM

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acesfull86 wrote:
RSVandy wrote: F, I can't believe that they gave up Nickeas!
Better than Kaupe. noidea
He is the only untouchable prospect in the entire system.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:04 PM

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omnimetfan wrote:
danfran wrote: Not to be critical of anyone's vote, but considering Dickey's age, and the fact that the Mets with or without Dickey are the 4th best team in the NL EAST, A++. Correct move for a GM looking 2-5 years ahead, not 1. thumbsup.gif

That is where I disagree.  Even looking to one year ahead this may be the right move.  The arrivals of Harvey and Wheeler I think gave the Mets an opportunity to trade from strength to fill a weakness.
Well, the Mets won 74 last year, and RA won 20. I fully expect them to be worse this year than they would have been with RA, don't you?
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:28 PM

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AAAAAAAA+++++

"Seen It All"

loyal_Jues (IG)

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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:41 PM

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A deal that had to be made. Alderson should keep making moves with 2015 in mind. Get Harvey ready for 230 IPs, Wheeler to make 30 starts, d'Arnaud to start 120 games, etc. Need to find an entire OF and most/all BP...
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:46 PM

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As I said in the beginning of this Dickey saga, if Dickey was going to be traded, then they should only trade him for at least two good prospects. That happened...it's really the only type of haul that would have been acceptable to me as a fan. Otherwise, I would have wanted to see him extended with the Mets.

By the way, Dickey is on an amazing contract for Toronto now. 3 years @ $30 million + a 4th option year at $12 million. If he remains at a #1-#2 type level, then they got an absolute bargain on their payroll.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:49 PM

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If I could give it an A+ I would.

I was also thinking maybe Gorski or Vaughn level as our third player in the deal so while it wouldn't have killed me to lose them and I'd still give them an A if they dealt them, Nickeas doesn't even make me blink.

and that last kid coming to us, if we signed him in 2011 most of us woudl know his name and be excited about him even if best case he's 4-5 years away. $1.3M bonus in the Intl. market is huge.  I like that high ceiling type player being a thrown in with time to develop.

With that said I'm going to miss you Dickey! I'll be rooting and watching for sure. Hope you give it to the Yankees as often as possible too.

Last edited 12/17/2012 6:53 PM by BootyCall

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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:11 PM

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TheFunster wrote: Don't worry Nickeas fans, come late March, he'll be DFA'd and comfortably back in the fold.  Sandy really IS a genius!
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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:16 PM

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I give the Mets an "A" for this deal.

The more I think about it, the better I like the deal for the Jays, too.  They certainly gave up a lot, but look at their roster/salaries...they have opened themselves up a window for maybe three seasons and they really don't have a bad contract on the books.

Reyes SS
Izturis 2B
Bautista RF
Encarnacion 1B/DH
Lawrie 3B
M Cabrera LF
Rasmus / Gose CF
Arencibia C
Lind 1B/DH

Dickey SP
J Johnson SP
Buehrle SP
Morrow SP
Romero SP

Janssen RP
Oliver RP
Loup RP
Lincoln RP
Santos RP

(they have a ton of guys who can pitch out of the bullpen, actually)

So you've got a window to win a WS, your contracts are structured so that it's unlikely one guy can become a real albatross, and you have a top talent evaluator who can re-stock your farm (which isn't barren even after these moves) while winning now.

I wouldn't mind following this model...


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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:20 PM

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BTW, does anyone think the Mets/Jays discussed Murphy during this trade? If there is one weakness on the team, it's the right side of the infield. Izturis is likely to get the 2B job and he mostly stinks. Encarnacion is a much better hitter than Lind (at least recently), but is a much worse defender. They have depth in the OF, where we have a need, and I think they could have used Murphy effectively as a 1B/2B/3B/DH.


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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:21 PM

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The Jays have a tremendous farm system pitching wise. This doesn't really hurt them @ all.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:21 PM

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This trade is going to look even better once Buck hits like crazy and is traded at the trade deadline for another elite prospect like Beltran for Wheeler!

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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:28 PM

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On another blog I saw quotes from MLB talent evaluators ......about what the Jays gave up.

"Shocked"

"They must be out of their minds"




Excellent trade.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:45 PM

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RSVandy wrote:
By the way, Dickey is on an amazing contract for Toronto now. 3 years @ $30 million + a 4th option year at $12 million. If he remains at a #1-#2 type level, then they got an absolute bargain on their payroll.
I must be missing something.  Dickey appears to have signed for a discount and now is obligated to pay Candian taxes (for at least half his games).
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