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The Search for a RH Catcher

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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:02 PM

The Search for a RH Catcher 


The Blue Jays currently have three catchers on their 40-man roster: Travis D’Arnoud, John Buck, and J.P. Arencibia.

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says the Blue Jays are most likely to trade Arencibia, and the Mets and Jays have discussed a deal for Arencibia around Jon Niese.

However, Rosenthal adds, “The Jays might need to offer more than Arencibia to acquire such a pitcher, but aren’t necessarily eager to make that type of move.”

Rosenthal says the Jays could alternatively look to sign a lower-end free agent starting pitcher or sign multiple players to Minor League contracts to add the depth they seek.


metsblog.com/metsblog/m...-j-p-arencibia/

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Last edited 12/5/2012 4:51 PM by acesfull86

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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:05 PM

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IMO this would be JP Ricciardi rearing his ugly head more than a Sandy move. No thanks, I would be interested but not for Niese. D'Arnoud on the other hand I would be intrigued and open to discussing a deal that could include a Niese.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:08 PM

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Idle chatter.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:09 PM

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I was looking at JP's numbers earlier. He was a good prospect and clearly has plus power. Granted his overall numbers have been pretty nauseating for the Jays the past couple of years but he's still young and catchers often take a while to put it all together. Is there no hope that he ends up being more than a Barajas type? Sincere question- I have no idea what the answer is. I do wonder if Ricciardi loves the guy, however.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:10 PM

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I think it's more likely the Mets have enquired about JPA but are unwilling to part with Niese for him.  

Niese for JPA makes zero sense for the Mets.  Even if you throw in Gose it's a horrible deal.  

JPA is not a big league starter.  I'd much rather go back to the well with Shoppach than give up anything of value for JPA.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:11 PM

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JP for Gee and Den Dekker.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:14 PM

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nevets72 wrote: JP for Gee and Den Dekker.

Even that's too much for JPA imo.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:16 PM

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But JPA us better than what we have and we do not give up that much. Gee is replaceable and Double D is still a hope and a prayer, IMO.

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nevets72 wrote: JP for Gee and Den Dekker.

Even that's too much for JPA imo.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:19 PM

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nevets72 wrote: JP for Gee and Den Dekker.

Even that's too much for JPA imo.

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What do you dislike about JPAs skillset? He was a good prospect and has shown good power and hes still pretty young. I wouldn't give up a lot for him either but he would certainly be a big upgrade for the Mets at C even if he's just a Barajas type.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:23 PM

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Parnell for Arencibia? that could make some sense for both teams


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:23 PM

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MookieLJL wrote:

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nevets72 wrote: JP for Gee and Den Dekker.

Even that's too much for JPA imo.

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What do you dislike about JPAs skillset? He was a good prospect and has shown good power and hes still pretty young. I wouldn't give up a lot for him either but he would certainly be a big upgrade for the Mets at C even if he's just a Barajas type.

Zero plate discipline, strikes out a ton, .275 OBP last season and .282 the year before.  I'm not trading anything of value for a backup catcher.  Frankly, I'm not sure he's better than Shoppach, so whatever it cost us to get him is about the extent of what I'd give up for JPA.  He's horrible offensively.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:55 PM

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JPA sucks.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 8:30 PM

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JPA for Harvey.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:20 PM

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xmulderx wrote: IMO this would be JP Ricciardi rearing his ugly head more than a Sandy move. No thanks, I would be interested but not for Niese. D'Arnoud on the other hand I would be intrigued and open to discussing a deal that could include a Niese.
What would it realistically take to get D'Arnoud?
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:16 PM

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He's a top 10 prospect. He's not going anywhere.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:49 PM

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JP is not someone to give up anything of real value in a trade for.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:03 PM

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What's the consensus on JPA's defense? His offense does nothing for me. Hideous plate discipline and bat control, and he's not that young anymore (27 next month) so it's a leap of faith to assume he can significantly improve. The 200 ISO is nice, but that's not all that rare in the catching department. Rod Barajas/Kelly Shoppach types can do that -- guys who can be had as free agents on low dollar, one year deals.

Unless JPA is some sort of defensive wizard, I don't see the motivation to deal anything of value for him. Niese? Forget it. I wouldn't even give them Gee unless we were getting something else back.  The difference in value between JPA and available free agents are small, if anything.  This guy is more of a throw in to a bigger package deal than a headliner.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:11 AM

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Den Dekker alone is almost comparable to Arencibia. Arencibia is a just OK defensive catcher, but Den Dekker is really good defensively in CF. And the bats look pretty similar. Minor league careers:

Avg OBP SLG OPS
.275 .319 .507 .826 Arenciba
.276 .336 .459 .795 Den Dekker

And that's really not a fair comparison, because more than half of Arencibia's minor league PA came at Las Vegas in the PCL. You know, the park where Brad Emaus put up an .890 OPS and fooled everyone into thinking he could be an MLB hitter (ha, told you all Turner was better). But, this will be a Mets affiliate now this year, so I hope everyone keeps forgetting to park adjust.

Granted JP has 895 PA in MLB as well now, but overall he's been about as valuable a catcher as Josh Thole. Fangraphs has JP at 2.0 WAR total in that time. Thole is at 2.8 WAR in 1026 PA. One nice thing, JP is bilingual, which is useful for a catcher in today's game. But overall, we aren't really talking about much of an upgrade over Kelly Shoppach s Thole's platoon partner. He is 6 years younger than Shoppach, but probably not even quite as good a player as Shoppach in his prime.

So no way to Niese, and if you are dealing Gee, the Jays need to be adding something to that, not getting a good prospect as well. Even something like McHugh + Den Dekker might be an overpay.

Last edited 12/2/2012 12:18 AM by acerimusdux

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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:30 AM

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I would certainly do it for MDD and McHugh or even Gorski.

I think sometimes the media gets stuff f'd up. The jays have liked Niese for the past 2 off-seasons. The Mets may be talking to the BJ's about JPA right now/recently... that doesn't mean Niese it's even being talked about in those discussions. I sense the FO values Niese greatly.

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Last edited 12/2/2012 12:32 AM by Gstacks177

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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:25 PM

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Why sell low on Niese? He is a very good young lefty #3 who has the potential to be even better than that. On a good team, he's a 15 plus game winner easy. I really like him and think the Mets should deal Dickey instead who despite winning 20 games, at 38 probably doesn't figure into the teams long term plans and most likely overachieved IMO. Not to say Dickey isn't usually good, but he's not 20 games good on a consistent basis. If we are going to trade Niese we need to do it for a potential difference maker, not some ok catching prospect.
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