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Wright & Dickey - To trade or not to trade

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Posted: 11/24/2012 9:43 AM

Wright & Dickey - To trade or not to trade 


I know its been discussed ad nauseum but I'm interested to see where we stand in actual numbers.

    What would you do with Wright and Dickey?

  1. Poll closed on 12/31/2012
  2. Extend both: 10 votes
  3. Extend Wright; trade Dickey: 13 votes
  4. Extend Dicky; trade Wright: 1 vote
  5. Trade both: 9 votes
  6. Wilpon special - let them play out the year and walk: 0 votes
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Posted: 11/24/2012 9:47 AM

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Perhaps people who vote could also tell the rest what they think the extention or trade will be?
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:00 AM

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I said extend both purely because I can't picture getting a package for either that I would be satisfied with.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:20 AM

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I firmly want to trade Dickey and extend Wright, and that is what I voted for,  but with the Wilpons in charge, I suspect the best possible course is dealing both.

As for Dickey, I think we have seen the best he will offer and I would greatly prefer that someone else take the risk of investing 12-14 mil per yr for a guy in his late 30's.   I think his 5 mil salary for 2013 makes him extremely tradeable.  Dickey belongs on a pennant contender now.  A 75 win team shouldnt have 38 year old pitcher, when they could probably speed up the rebuilding by moving him.

If we have to give Wright 7 yrs starting in 2014, that's a really bad move as well, but if you judge every FA contract in a harsh dollars and cents light, you wont sign anyone and best case is that you become the Rays without the ability to collect all the extra comp picks that they utilized so well.   I dont want to root for that type of team.

As I alluded to in the first paragraph, if we are truly stuck with ownership that wants to draw the line at 90 mil, we should trade both.

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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:21 AM

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The mets could be surprise contenders in a year or two if the starting pitching pans out, but it's not worth holding onto guys in their late 30s in case it takes more than that. Surely we can get a quality major leaguer or two for Dickey.

Wright has been the heart of this team for years, and should be the cornerstone of the franchise. Give him his 7 years / 120 million and be done with it.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:30 AM

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My issue with Wright is, do we really want to have to go through with him what the Yankees are going through with A-Rod right now?  He's one of my 2-3 favorite Mets ever, but frankly, I don't want to have to witness his decline in a Mets uniform.  Legacies are quickly forgotten when a player becomes a shadow of his former self.  Then you're left with the dilemma of what to do with your once great player who can no longer perform at a high level.

Granted, he isn't destined to decline so precipitously, but history isn't in his favor, especially in a PED-less age.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:40 AM

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I voted trade them both. Dickey will never have more value in a trade and by the time the Mets are contending Dickey will be gone.

Wright on a 7 year deal at $ 18 million a year? What Wright do we get when he is half way his contract? How did he do the last 4 years?
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:06 AM

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DocK16 wrote: My issue with Wright is, do we really want to have to go through with him what the Yankees are going through with A-Rod right now?  He's one of my 2-3 favorite Mets ever, but frankly, I don't want to have to witness his decline in a Mets uniform.  Legacies are quickly forgotten when a player becomes a shadow of his former self.  Then you're left with the dilemma of what to do with your once great player who can no longer perform at a high level.

Granted, he isn't destined to decline so precipitously, but history isn't in his favor, especially in a PED-less age.
ARod is an extreme example that shouldn't apply in this case.  Wright's contract might go thru his 37 or 38 yo season.  ARod is 37 now with 5 more years commitment due to him.  I don't see the relevance.  The Wright case should more closely resemble the Piazza case.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:10 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote: My issue with Wright is, do we really want to have to go through with him what the Yankees are going through with A-Rod right now?  He's one of my 2-3 favorite Mets ever, but frankly, I don't want to have to witness his decline in a Mets uniform.  Legacies are quickly forgotten when a player becomes a shadow of his former self.  Then you're left with the dilemma of what to do with your once great player who can no longer perform at a high level.

Granted, he isn't destined to decline so precipitously, but history isn't in his favor, especially in a PED-less age.
ARod is an extreme example that shouldn't apply in this case.  Wright's contract might go thru his 37 or 38 yo season.  ARod is 37 now with 5 more years commitment due to him.  I don't see the relevance.  The Wright case should more closely resemble the Piazza case.

A-Rod and Piazza both experienced precipitous declines.  That's my point no matter who the comparison is applied to.  Either way, the last 2-3 years of that deal are unlikely to be pleasant.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:17 AM

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DocK16 wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote: My issue with Wright is, do we really want to have to go through with him what the Yankees are going through with A-Rod right now?  He's one of my 2-3 favorite Mets ever, but frankly, I don't want to have to witness his decline in a Mets uniform.  Legacies are quickly forgotten when a player becomes a shadow of his former self.  Then you're left with the dilemma of what to do with your once great player who can no longer perform at a high level.

Granted, he isn't destined to decline so precipitously, but history isn't in his favor, especially in a PED-less age.
ARod is an extreme example that shouldn't apply in this case.  Wright's contract might go thru his 37 or 38 yo season.  ARod is 37 now with 5 more years commitment due to him.  I don't see the relevance.  The Wright case should more closely resemble the Piazza case.

A-Rod and Piazza both experienced precipitous declines.  That's my point no matter who the comparison is applied to.  Either way, the last 2-3 years of that deal are unlikely to be pleasant.
but that would be a bad reason not to extend him... that is, to ignore the five expected productive years.  If they had to go 10 years like in the ARod or Pujols case, then I'd agree that 5 years in the late 30s may not be worth 5 solid years.  But I don't agree that 2 decline years isn't worth 5 good ones.  Limiting FA deals to 5 years or so is a good guidepost to use but there has to be exceptions.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:18 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote: My issue with Wright is, do we really want to have to go through with him what the Yankees are going through with A-Rod right now?  He's one of my 2-3 favorite Mets ever, but frankly, I don't want to have to witness his decline in a Mets uniform.  Legacies are quickly forgotten when a player becomes a shadow of his former self.  Then you're left with the dilemma of what to do with your once great player who can no longer perform at a high level.

Granted, he isn't destined to decline so precipitously, but history isn't in his favor, especially in a PED-less age.
ARod is an extreme example that shouldn't apply in this case.  Wright's contract might go thru his 37 or 38 yo season.  ARod is 37 now with 5 more years commitment due to him.  I don't see the relevance.  The Wright case should more closely resemble the Piazza case.

A-Rod and Piazza both experienced precipitous declines.  That's my point no matter who the comparison is applied to.  Either way, the last 2-3 years of that deal are unlikely to be pleasant.
but that would be a bad reason not to extend him... that is, to ignore the five expected productive years.  If they had to go 10 years like in the ARod or Pujols case, then I'd agree that 5 years in the late 30s may not be worth 5 solid years.  But I don't agree that 2 decline years isn't worth 5 good ones.  Limiting FA deals to 5 years or so is a good guidepost to use but there has to be exceptions.
But do you get 5 good years? Look at the past 4!
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:24 AM

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jumpstone wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote: My issue with Wright is, do we really want to have to go through with him what the Yankees are going through with A-Rod right now?  He's one of my 2-3 favorite Mets ever, but frankly, I don't want to have to witness his decline in a Mets uniform.  Legacies are quickly forgotten when a player becomes a shadow of his former self.  Then you're left with the dilemma of what to do with your once great player who can no longer perform at a high level.

Granted, he isn't destined to decline so precipitously, but history isn't in his favor, especially in a PED-less age.
ARod is an extreme example that shouldn't apply in this case.  Wright's contract might go thru his 37 or 38 yo season.  ARod is 37 now with 5 more years commitment due to him.  I don't see the relevance.  The Wright case should more closely resemble the Piazza case.

A-Rod and Piazza both experienced precipitous declines.  That's my point no matter who the comparison is applied to.  Either way, the last 2-3 years of that deal are unlikely to be pleasant.
but that would be a bad reason not to extend him... that is, to ignore the five expected productive years.  If they had to go 10 years like in the ARod or Pujols case, then I'd agree that 5 years in the late 30s may not be worth 5 solid years.  But I don't agree that 2 decline years isn't worth 5 good ones.  Limiting FA deals to 5 years or so is a good guidepost to use but there has to be exceptions.
But do you get 5 good years? Look at the past 4!
no players come with guarantees.  they all have some risk.  With Wright, his poor performances seemed to come from both the big dimensions of the original Citifield and injuries - the beaning and the back injury.  Even when not at his peak, Wright at something like .290/.375/.475 would still be a very valuable player.  I think 3B now is one of the weakest positions around the league.  Having a good 3Bman is a competitive advantage.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:37 AM

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I Voted to trade both.  Go ahead and finish the rebuild at this point.  It sucks and was unnecessary, But if this is the path we seem to be on anyway no need to do it halfway.  At least give the new owners a loaded system to work with. 

Mets trade away reigning CY Young award winner.
Still have the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:42 AM

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DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote:
DuffyDyer wrote:
DocK16 wrote: My issue with Wright is, do we really want to have to go through with him what the Yankees are going through with A-Rod right now?  He's one of my 2-3 favorite Mets ever, but frankly, I don't want to have to witness his decline in a Mets uniform.  Legacies are quickly forgotten when a player becomes a shadow of his former self.  Then you're left with the dilemma of what to do with your once great player who can no longer perform at a high level.

Granted, he isn't destined to decline so precipitously, but history isn't in his favor, especially in a PED-less age.
ARod is an extreme example that shouldn't apply in this case.  Wright's contract might go thru his 37 or 38 yo season.  ARod is 37 now with 5 more years commitment due to him.  I don't see the relevance.  The Wright case should more closely resemble the Piazza case.

A-Rod and Piazza both experienced precipitous declines.  That's my point no matter who the comparison is applied to.  Either way, the last 2-3 years of that deal are unlikely to be pleasant.
but that would be a bad reason not to extend him... that is, to ignore the five expected productive years.  If they had to go 10 years like in the ARod or Pujols case, then I'd agree that 5 years in the late 30s may not be worth 5 solid years.  But I don't agree that 2 decline years isn't worth 5 good ones.  Limiting FA deals to 5 years or so is a good guidepost to use but there has to be exceptions.

How productive?  What kind of player do you expect Wright to be at age 34?  35?  36?  37?  Wright's decline will likely begin a year or two from now, not abruptly at age 36.

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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:47 AM

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I voted to extend Wright and trade Dickey. I think Wright as others have mentioned is harder to replace, as quality third baseman are not a dime a dozen these days. Not only that, but if the team can by any measure compete for and win a title during the years when Wright is extended, it would be nice to have a "legacy player" be a part of that.

I would not mind AT ALL if Dickey were extended, but IF he is able to get the team a young and promising piece, especially in CF or C, then given the questions of his performance sustainability and his age, I make that move.

 

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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:48 AM

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Extend both. Frankly, I find it vomit inducing that this organization needs to jettison a guy who was brought up thru our system and has essentially been the face of the organization for the last few years. Same goes for Dickey. The guy has simply been an awesome bright spot for the organization.

I just can't get on board with the "get something for them" mantra. No way, no how.

My prediction is if both are dumped that this organization wallows in 70 win seasons for the next 3+ years. Beyond that it's impossible to know what direction we go or even who might own the team. I don't see any trades being done with Wright and Dickey where the general consensus is "great move, this gets us closer to winning".

They have to exhaust all means possible to retain both players. This is no way for a big market club to conduct themselves.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 12:00 PM

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I said extend both purely because I can't picture getting a package for either that I would be satisfied with.

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Posted: 11/24/2012 12:11 PM

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I say trade Dickey and extend Wright.

As far as Dickey goes, I think it's a no-brainer to sell.  For starters, the Mets are at least two years away from competing for the playoffs.  There's no telling what sort of production Dickey will be capable of at that point.  I know he's a knuckleballer, but there are other issues that can plague a pitcher besides arm woes.  A 40 year old is never a safe bet in baseball. 

Also, I feel that we've got enough arms in the minors that we should be able to replace what a 2014 Dickey is doing with an in-house arm.  Couple that with the fact that he's only make 5 mil or so next year, he's a hot commodity.  The Royals are who I think we match up well with.  I don't think Meyers is realistic, but they have enough outfield bats to make it happen.

Extending Wright is necessary.  Position players are our weakness, and we can't let our best one go.  Hopefully we get lucky like the Piazza contract.  Mike basically played well for 5 seasons, okay for 1 and injured/no-so great for 1.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 12:12 PM

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went with extend Dickey and Trade Wright... if i thought we could get something back for Dickey I would be open to moving him. But, that market seems to be mid-level prospects at best. Wright and Niese are really the only guys on this roster you could trade and improve this team.


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Posted: 11/24/2012 12:14 PM

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i do not understand the mindset of extend both guys. how do you expect to improve? that is being selfish in my view & not grasping the situation at hand. what is more important to keep Wright around or get better as a team?


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