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OF trade market heating up?

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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:38 PM

OF trade market heating up? 


http://metsblog.com/metsblog/t...nts-get-pricey/

Teams in need of outfielders are moving toward the trade market, because the free-agent market is currently too expensive, Buster Olney reported yesterday for ESPN.com.

According to Olney, Yankees OF Curtis Granderson, D-Backs OF Justin Upton, Rockies OF Dexter Fowler, Indians OF Shin-Soo Choo and Cubs OF Alfonso Soriano are all outfielders making significant money who could be available this winter.

Similarly, FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal believes the Twins will trade OF Denard Span (and the two years and $11.25 million left on his contract) for an accomplished starting pitcher. Span also has a $9 million team option for 2015.

In regards to Upton, Rosenthal feels the D-Backs may eventually turn to trading OF Jason Kubel instead, even though Kubel will bring back less to Arizona in trade.

Kubel, 30, is signed for $7.5 million next season (with a $7.5 million club option for 2014).

According to Rosenthal, the D-Backs could also look to include one of their own pitching prospects with Kubel in an effort to get the top shortstop or top-of-the-rotation pitcher they’re currently seeking in talks for Upton.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:43 PM

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Most people probably won't be in favor of this, but I would be open to Span and an interesting prospect for Dickey.  Span is wildly underrated due to his lack of power imo.  The Twins seem to value him highly (one could argue adequately) so they probably wouldn't give up much else for Dickey, but it'd be worth trying.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:43 PM

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It'd be nice to find the "Aaron Hill of the OF".
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:47 PM

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This is a nice thread because our most pathetic area right now is by far the Outfield. It's the singe worst outfield in baseball.

Do you trade Wright for Upton and pray on Wilmer Flores? I probably would. Mostly because I believe Justin Upton is going to be a MVP caliber player for the next 5 years of his prime. And I love rebuilding with youth.

Does Arizona do that? They have the easiest Park Factor for right handed hitters in all of baseball. Wright could hit 45 homers there. I think they'd jump on it.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:48 PM

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Trade for Upton, sign CoCo Crisp, sign Angel Pagan.

Winning.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:49 PM

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DocK16 wrote: Most people probably won't be in favor of this, but I would be open to Span and an interesting prospect for Dickey.  Span is wildly underrated due to his lack of power imo.  The Twins seem to value him highly (one could argue adequately) so they probably wouldn't give up much else for Dickey, but it'd be worth trying.
I don't think that it makes much sense to trade Dickey for a player who is only going to be under team control for three seasons, so that really means the team will be competitive if we're lucky for one or two of his seasons. I'd rather see a bunch of prospects.

Of course I have no idea why the Twins would even want to trade for Dickey at this point.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:51 PM

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Kubel would be a major bust here IMO, not interested at all there. Coco? no... Pagan?? you can't be serious. Upton?? sure... Choo?? yup interested, Fowler?? interested, Soriano Hell No!, Span? lukewarm interest.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:57 PM

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Crisp and Pagan would be WORLDS better than last year's outfield.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:57 PM

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RSVandy wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Most people probably won't be in favor of this, but I would be open to Span and an interesting prospect for Dickey.  Span is wildly underrated due to his lack of power imo.  The Twins seem to value him highly (one could argue adequately) so they probably wouldn't give up much else for Dickey, but it'd be worth trying.
I don't think that it makes much sense to trade Dickey for a player who is only going to be under team control for three seasons, so that really means the team will be competitive if we're lucky for one or two of his seasons. I'd rather see a bunch of prospects.

Of course I have no idea why the Twins would even want to trade for Dickey at this point.

Three years is a long time, especially if the Mets truly intends to investing in the present again in 2014.  

With regards to the Twins, I agree Dickey makes no sense if the team is rebuilding.  Is that what they're doing though?  I can't remember the last time the Twins truly embraced a long-term youth movement.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:09 PM

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DocK16 wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Most people probably won't be in favor of this, but I would be open to Span and an interesting prospect for Dickey.  Span is wildly underrated due to his lack of power imo.  The Twins seem to value him highly (one could argue adequately) so they probably wouldn't give up much else for Dickey, but it'd be worth trying.
I don't think that it makes much sense to trade Dickey for a player who is only going to be under team control for three seasons, so that really means the team will be competitive if we're lucky for one or two of his seasons. I'd rather see a bunch of prospects.

Of course I have no idea why the Twins would even want to trade for Dickey at this point.

Three years is a long time, especially if the Mets truly intends to investing in the present again in 2014.  

With regards to the Twins, I agree Dickey makes no sense if the team is rebuilding.  Is that what they're doing though?  I can't remember the last time the Twins truly embraced a long-term youth movement.
Span would just be around for two more seasons of potentially competitive seasons. 

Those three years of Span would also cost about $20 million. I think that I'd rather just see Dickey get traded for prospects and see that $20 million invested in other players or prospects and then hope for 2014-2015.

I do think that Denard Span is kind of interesting, but I don't think that he's the type of player that the Mets should target in a Dickey trade. Not sure if I would want to see the Mets trade Dickey for a guy who earns about $7 million/year and will probably give us a 2-4 WAR that is presently very defensive based.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:10 PM

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xmulderx wrote: Kubel would be a major bust here IMO, not interested at all there. Coco? no... Pagan?? you can't be serious. Upton?? sure... Choo?? yup interested, Fowler?? interested, Soriano Hell No!, Span? lukewarm interest.
I'd take any of those guys at the right price.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:15 PM

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RSVandy wrote:
DocK16 wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Most people probably won't be in favor of this, but I would be open to Span and an interesting prospect for Dickey.  Span is wildly underrated due to his lack of power imo.  The Twins seem to value him highly (one could argue adequately) so they probably wouldn't give up much else for Dickey, but it'd be worth trying.
I don't think that it makes much sense to trade Dickey for a player who is only going to be under team control for three seasons, so that really means the team will be competitive if we're lucky for one or two of his seasons. I'd rather see a bunch of prospects.

Of course I have no idea why the Twins would even want to trade for Dickey at this point.

Three years is a long time, especially if the Mets truly intends to investing in the present again in 2014.  

With regards to the Twins, I agree Dickey makes no sense if the team is rebuilding.  Is that what they're doing though?  I can't remember the last time the Twins truly embraced a long-term youth movement.
Span would just be around for two more seasons of potentially competitive seasons. 

Those three years of Span would also cost about $20 million. I think that I'd rather just see Dickey get traded for prospects and see that $20 million invested in other players or prospects and then hope for 2014-2015.

I do think that Denard Span is kind of interesting, but I don't think that he's the type of player that the Mets should target in a Dickey trade. Not sure if I would want to see the Mets trade Dickey for a guy who earns about $7 million/year and will probably give us a 2-4 WAR that is presently very defensive based.

I can't imagine getting much better than a 3-4 WAR player for Dickey.  I know we love him and all, but I can't imagine a team giving up elite prospects for him or a player much better than Span.  I guess you could argue we're best suited just keeping Dickey, but I think Span+ would be a pretty good return.  

Two potentially competitive seasons is pretty good.  Ideally we get a player or two that we can keep around cheaply for 4-6 seasons, but Dickey ain't no spring chicken himself.  I don't think any return will adequately reflect what he means to this franchise.  Would love to be proven wrong.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:23 PM

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DocK16 wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
DocK16 wrote:
RSVandy wrote:
DocK16 wrote: Most people probably won't be in favor of this, but I would be open to Span and an interesting prospect for Dickey.  Span is wildly underrated due to his lack of power imo.  The Twins seem to value him highly (one could argue adequately) so they probably wouldn't give up much else for Dickey, but it'd be worth trying.
I don't think that it makes much sense to trade Dickey for a player who is only going to be under team control for three seasons, so that really means the team will be competitive if we're lucky for one or two of his seasons. I'd rather see a bunch of prospects.

Of course I have no idea why the Twins would even want to trade for Dickey at this point.

Three years is a long time, especially if the Mets truly intends to investing in the present again in 2014.  

With regards to the Twins, I agree Dickey makes no sense if the team is rebuilding.  Is that what they're doing though?  I can't remember the last time the Twins truly embraced a long-term youth movement.
Span would just be around for two more seasons of potentially competitive seasons. 

Those three years of Span would also cost about $20 million. I think that I'd rather just see Dickey get traded for prospects and see that $20 million invested in other players or prospects and then hope for 2014-2015.

I do think that Denard Span is kind of interesting, but I don't think that he's the type of player that the Mets should target in a Dickey trade. Not sure if I would want to see the Mets trade Dickey for a guy who earns about $7 million/year and will probably give us a 2-4 WAR that is presently very defensive based.

I can't imagine getting much better than a 3-4 WAR player for Dickey.  I know we love him and all, but I can't imagine a team giving up elite prospects for him or a player much better than Span.  I guess you could argue we're best suited just keeping Dickey, but I think Span+ would be a pretty good return.  

Two potentially competitive seasons is pretty good.  Ideally we get a player or two that we can keep around cheaply for 4-6 seasons, but Dickey ain't no spring chicken himself.  I don't think any return will adequately reflect what he means to this franchise.  Would love to be proven wrong.
I'd rather roll the dice on potential than a 2-4 WAR player that is largely defense. I never like trading or signing for a player who receives most of his value from defense. And at that point you need to go for risk instead of just an OK player, IMO.

If he were a consistent 4 WAR player, then that would be different. But he's just as likely to put up a 2 WAR as he is a 4 WAR. Or it would be different if he were controllable for less money and more years.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:27 PM

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I'm generally agree with not paying for a player whose value is largely tied to his defense, but I think Span has more offensive ability than his park deflated numbers suggest.

That said, I'm not 100% sold, which is why I'd like an interesting prospect thrown in to balance the value/risk.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:31 PM

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I kind of see him like how I saw Angel Pagan before he was thrown away. A guy that you keep around until he hits free agency and costs more money, and then hopefully you have a replacement ready if he's going to be expensive. A solid player, IMO.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:33 PM

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I am probably considered a fossil.. but i can't look at a players talent in the form of WAR.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 6:13 PM

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At 2 yrs, ~$12M...w/ most of his value coming on the D end... Span has lost his underrated status, IMO.

In his career high in PA's and G's-- 2011... All he managed to post was a 2.6 WAR.

As Vandy brought up, he could just as easily be a 2.5 WAR player in '13, instead of the ~4.0 WAR player he was this past season. I think he's one of those players that's desirable when he's being underpaid a bit... but once he gets around his value $... Not so much... esp. when trading an asset like RAD is now.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 6:17 PM

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Crisp > Span

At least in terms of what to expect. Crisp is Pagan-lite, which is still a very valuable player. Dude leadoff for a 93 win team.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 4:03 AM

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Wright (and $$) to Arizona for Eaton, Skaggs ++

Dickey to Texas for Leonys Martin ++

Niese to Toronto for Arencibia, Sierra ++

Gives you a line up

CF  Eaton
SS  Tejada
1st Davis
C   Arencibia
LF  Martin
RF  Sierra
3rd Murphy
2nd Valdespin

Rotation of Santana, Harvey, Gee, Mejia and Skaggs

And when you dont agree with me could you all please let me know YOUR options on how to get the Mets better in 2014 because next year isnt going to be any better as last year.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:55 AM

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jumpstone wrote: Wright (and $$) to Arizona for Eaton, Skaggs ++

Dickey to Texas for Leonys Martin ++

Niese to Toronto for Arencibia, Sierra ++

Gives you a line up

CF  Eaton
SS  Tejada
1st Davis
C   Arencibia
LF  Martin
RF  Sierra
3rd Murphy
2nd Valdespin

Rotation of Santana, Harvey, Gee, Mejia and Skaggs

And when you dont agree with me could you all please let me know YOUR options on how to get the Mets better in 2014 because next year isnt going to be any better as last year.
That´s an ugly rotation that loses its only veteran a year from now and has no guarantee that Mejia develops into a competent SP while there´s no player I´d expect to post an .800 OPS in 2013 or going forward except for Ike Davis in that entire lineup.

Please don´t sell low on Dickey, Wright and especially not Niese. Yuk.
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