THIS IS WHY WE NEED A COMMITTEE TO SEED THESE BRACKETS!!!!!!!!!!

Makes way to much sense to have humans who have eyes, logic, and thought process. We will continue to use a machine.

The reality is this is caused by the AD's at each and every school. You want it changed then go talk to your AD.

I am convinced that a committee is the only way to get these things right

I tend to agree on this but finding an impartial and informed committee would be a serious challenge.  Can't have the AD's as they are the actual reason this is screwed up..  With them out of the way where is the body of potential candidates from?  This site and the White Mountain Smack board?   I think that there are some definite candidates there but I don't see the AD's (AIA rep's) giving that kind of power to a bunch of armchair QB's.  Maybe an independent Sports Committee or Council?  Take applications and interview through the AIA exec board?  Let's synergize here ..

We could easily use Admin from the higher level schools. I mean heck they could have a committee nobody knows about etc. But in the end some trust has to go a long way to do what is right here.

Who is willing to sit on the committee? I know I am. Anyone else?

I've got a proposal almost completed - been working on it for the last two years - for this committee.

It would have 11 people, 5 of which are ADs, Assistant ADs, or Principals, 5 of which are at-large community members like from newspapers, parents, whatever, and 1 of which is an actual AIA employee (to moderate and break ties).

The thing I have in there though is that outside of the AIA member, no more than two at-large members can be from the same county, none of the ADs/principals can be from the same school district or charter school or private educational institution, nor can more than two of the ADs/principals be from Maricopa County.

BCatO - did you have to use the word "synergize"?

Sorry about thatg Ranch...was just informed this week that I am scheduled for a Covey refresher course... had to break out the 7 habits book again.  My bad,  lol  

I agree with BCATO,

You can't have the AD's. I am convinced they could not put aside they're bias and do the right thing, as well as some of them are just not qualified in the least.  There are plenty of knowledgeable football people on these boards who could put together a pretty legit 16 teams for each division in every sport. I like the anonymous part as well, and I also think each committee should have a General so to speak. The generals responsibilities would be to look for massive discrepancies or problems with each individual committee members bracket.

For example, in 2a, if you had some fool put----4------2a north teams in his top 16 and no other committee member had more than 2 teams from the north, the general could rule his ballot as an obvious case of bias and remove the member and his ballot from the committee. Just like a jury pool you could have 3 or 4 alternates. In a sense it would keep people honest. I think a committee of 10-20 people and you are going to have it as close to the best 16 as any system that is possible. The only teams protected would be the region champs from each division, that way you don't get completely terrible teams from a weak conference with a free pass like football in the 3a and 2a north. It is just rediculous in my opinion.

Need some help here, a little confused. I thought games were paired up based on final power points. 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15...etc but these pairings don't jive with aia final power points, what am I missing?

The 1st 5 teams 1-5 seeds are the conference winners who are gauranteed these spots. So the 5 are seeded 1-5 based on higher to lower PPTs.

Then the rest of the teams start from 6-16 and seeded based on the highest to lowest of those teams still left.

Hope that helps: St. Johns, benson, PRCA, NWC and Yc were conference champions.

If you notice 3A does not do this for their conference champions. It is strictly based on PPTs 1-16 higher to lower.

Thanks AZ, forgot about the guaranteed spots. I like the way 3a does it strictly based on power points, you get a truer bracket.

sprinkler wrote:

I agree with BCATO,

 

You can't have the AD's. I am convinced they could not put aside they're bias and do the right thing, as well as some of them are just not qualified in the least.  There are plenty of knowledgeable football people on these boards who could put together a pretty legit 16 teams for each division in every sport. I like the anonymous part as well, and I also think each committee should have a General so to speak. The generals responsibilities would be to look for massive discrepancies or problems with each individual committee members bracket.

 

For example, in 2a, if you had some fool put----4------2a north teams in his top 16 and no other committee member had more than 2 teams from the north, the general could rule his ballot as an obvious case of bias and remove the member and his ballot from the committee. Just like a jury pool you could have 3 or 4 alternates. In a sense it would keep people honest. I think a committee of 10-20 people and you are going to have it as close to the best 16 as any system that is possible. The only teams protected would be the region champs from each division, that way you don't get completely terrible teams from a weak conference with a free pass like football in the 3a and 2a north. It is just rediculous in my opinion.

sprinkler, as Coach JP said, you have to have the trust of the administration at some point.

I'm not in favor of having **all** AD's/Prinicipals on this committee, nor am I in favor of having a majority of such. In the research I've been doing over the past year or so, I've found that the best run and least complained about committees are the ones with only 11 people.

And in keeping with the spirit of trying to work WITH the administration instead of circumventing them - which the AIA membership would never allow anyway - having a 50-50 split allows there to be a semblance of order.

Now, the "general", as you say, in my case is the paid AIA employee whose sole function is to break ties and moderate the meetings, yes, that person should also be reviewing submissions for major discrepancies - your example is a good one.

One other thing that's part of my proposal - remember that there's only 5 ADs or Principals allowed on the committee, but the catch is that only one can represent any one school district, so you can't have the AD from Hamilton, and the AD from Basha, and the Principal from Chandler all on the committee, AND you can't have more than two ADs/Principals from Maricopa County, period.

Ideally, you should have one AD from 1A, one from 2A, etc. and that would take all five slots available. That would eliminate some of the bias right away since the 5A AD should be pretty impartial when it comes to 2A seedings, and the 3A AD probably wouldn't have any agendas for the 5A-II seedings, etc.

how did NCS end up with the central region championship? i thought there was a three way tie between the three christian schools.

There was. But they had more PPTs so they got the #1 spot. I think as far as conference champions goes there was the 3 way tie though.

Ranch,

I want knowledgeable people on the committee. I'm telling you, our AD(who I think is great) has no clue beyond 2a football and maybe the 3a east. He just doesn't follow it that closely. And he is a sports nut. Imagine what some of these AD's who are really clueless would come up with. They came up with this silly powerpoints system, and the majority of public school AD's have for years allowed the public/private issue to go on and on and on because they just don't get it. While I agree that they would buck and pitch a fit at an impartial committee made up of knowledgable people without AD's, we have to remember 1 little thing.

THEY WORK FOR US!!!!! We have the ability to tell them what we want them to do, if we work as a group of united concerned, parents, fans, coaches, players.

Ranch,

I think automatically putting people on a committee (who are clueless) just because they hold a position of authority is ludicrous.

Lets face it, we live in a me, me, me society (thanks Obama) where those who work hard are punished for it and those who are lazy and do not work are rewarded for it. A perfect example is those schools in the 3a east football who bust their butts every year to be as good as possible in the toughest division in maybe all of prep sports in AZ. Yet the pathetic 3a north who has 1 decent team gets the same # of teams in. That is a disgrace to the fundamental principles that the AIA prides itself on. The AD's of the other divisions in 3a--all 3 of them--- should ban together and outvote those in the north (who are self serving in this case). Appoint a committee of knowledgeable football people to get the best 16 teams regardless of what conference they come from.

I'll sign on to something like that but I don't believe in half measures, where we knowingly put people with no clue on a committee that makes decisions that really affects kids.

Now your talking Ranch,

I am convinced you could come up with 10 legit, football knowledgable people for each level in each sport. I really don't care who they are, there can even be an AD or 2 and some members of the AIA as well. Just some very critical criteria must be met.

1. They cannot have a dog in the fight--No 2a AD's for 2a committee, and likewise with the other divisions.

2. You must at least have 50% or more not work for a school or the AIA.

You guys who do the polls all the time are perfect examples of people who could serve on the committees. You could also keep them anonymous(if they wanted), and finally score them on the accuracy of their picks as the playoffs procede. Those who are terrible could be replaced with the alternates the next year. Finally give a little bit of incentive for them to pick the teams correctly and to get it right.