Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
InboxChat RoomChat Room (0 fans in chatroom)

Judgement handed down in Centennial situation

Posted: 02/26/2013 8:49 AM

Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


Snippets from the AIA statement:

"After a five-hour appeals hearing
Monday, the Arizona Interscholastic Association’s Executive Board did not find
anything to change its ruling that Peoria Centennial committed a recruiting
violation last year regarding a football player who transferred from another
school."

“We accepted a violation tonight as
reported by Centennial,” AIA Executive Board President Art Wagner said.
“In all good faith, I would say this is not a violation of Coach Taylor’s, but
more a violation of a process on that campus.”


"The board will wait until Centennial
takes corrective action, before handing out any sanctions, Wagner said. That
could come at the next AIA board meeting in March. Sanctions could run from
advisement to probation and the school could be stripped of its state runner-up
trophy."

"Airey said she did not know what
corrective action would be made. She also reiterated that Taylor’s position as
head coach was safe."



Outside of perhaps vacating their Runner-up Title this year, sounds like a lot of trouble for what will end up being a slap on the wrist.

Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/26/2013 9:26 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


Lawyers on both sides probably laughing all the way to the bank!  Ha Ha
Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/26/2013 6:32 PM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


If they vacate the runner up title who will be runner up of record?
Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/26/2013 8:21 PM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


nomuck, while I am pretty sure I know the answer to your question, I will pose another one. Which program will actually come running forward to claim it crying "ME! ME! I want the leftover trophy! Please let me have it!"?  For the life of me, I am hoping the answer is .....NO ONE.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/28/2013 5:39 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


Anyone else find it amazing that Woody chimes in on anything and everything with very strong opinions but is dead quiet now that his Coyotes have been found guilty of recruiting?

Woody you were chirping about Coach Taylor not getting interviewed. Now that he did and it changed nothing, what are your excuses now?

Obviously now we can see where the was smoke there was fire. Just shows that nobody can be trusted in sports bottom line.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 02/28/2013 7:30 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 



Watchutalkinboutwillis wrote: Anyone else find it amazing that Woody chimes in on anything and everything with very strong opinions but is dead quiet now that his Coyotes have been found guilty of recruiting?

Woody you were chirping about Coach Taylor not getting interviewed. Now that he did and it changed nothing, what are your excuses now?

Obviously now we can see where the was smoke there was fire. Just shows that nobody can be trusted in sports bottom line.
Man, you just kicked a really pissed off dog.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 02/28/2013 7:53 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


C'mon T. You really think Woodrow would respond to such rhetoric? Nonsense.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 02/28/2013 7:54 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 



az1husker wrote: C'mon T. You really think Woodrow would respond to such rhetoric? Nonsense.

Yes.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/28/2013 9:08 AM

RE: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


I am sure he is sitting back with his cloak of impenetrable BS on...hoping it all goes away.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 02/28/2013 9:19 AM

RE: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 



phxfbcoach wrote: I am sure he is sitting back with his cloak of impenetrable BS on...hoping it all goes away.

I'm sure he's sitting in his basement with his head between his hands, rocking back and forth saying, "It can't be true..."  over and over again.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/28/2013 9:52 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


"Just shows that nobody can be trusted in sports bottom line."

That's quite a sweeping statement!  I'm sure that there are plenty of people who "can be trusted in sports".
Let me quote from an AIA official:

"...the hearing ended with AIA Executive Board President Art Wagner telling reporters the AIA had accepted a violation by Centennial, “not a violation of Coach Taylor’s, but the process on campus.” ( http://www.peoriatimes.com/new...1a4bcf887a.html )

I'm not trying to be a Coach Taylor apologist (I'm a Liberty Lion fan), but what I know of him as a good teacher (History-a favorite), a coach, and a person, I have very high regard for him. I've watched him interact w/ kids from Jr. Highers to those who've graduated who come back to revisit and can tell you that he has a heart for those he has an opportunity to spend time with. 

Let me share another quote (...please note who it's from...):

"comment from andre ethier:
coach, have you ever tried recruiting a player?
what do you think would be the proper punishment for a coach that has recruited?
thursday august 27, 2009 12:22 andre ethier
12:25
richard taylor: 

The answer is no. I’ve never tried to recruit. I have several players who have come here and said they want to play here. I direct them to our athletic director. I think the punishment set forth by the AIA should be sufficient. http://www.coveritlive.com/ind...c2a6&ipod=y 

He also in the above interview talks about kids/parents making an effort to go to his program.  I know of 2 former players whose families moved into the CeHS boundries so that they can be part of his team:

"A kid shows up and says I want to play. You try to say the right things. Have you talked to your coach? To your parents? But they say I’m already registered here. You don’t turn them down. But this starts not just in high school. It starts in pop warner and in little league. Parents look around to see whose team Bobby is going to be on this year. I know there is a lot of transferring going on, but you can’t fault parents for seeing what is best for their kids. I know we have been in that situation before where you lose your top 3 players and it’s devastating. But as long as the rules are the way they are parents will do what’s in the best interest of the kids."

Clearly there are some who are gloating and seeing Coach Taylor receiving just desserts, but the issue by report does not fall on him but on the process.  Sounds like an easy fix to me and I wish him and his program continued success...until late September when they play LHS.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/28/2013 6:59 PM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 



wh0farted wrote: "Just shows that nobody can be trusted in sports bottom line."

That's quite a sweeping statement!  I'm sure that there are plenty of people who "can be trusted in sports".
Let me quote from an AIA official:

"...the hearing ended with AIA Executive Board President Art Wagner telling reporters the AIA had accepted a violation by Centennial, “not a violation of Coach Taylor’s, but the process on campus.” ( http://www.peoriatimes.com/new...1a4bcf887a.html )

I'm not trying to be a Coach Taylor apologist (I'm a Liberty Lion fan), but what I know of him as a good teacher (History-a favorite), a coach, and a person, I have very high regard for him. I've watched him interact w/ kids from Jr. Highers to those who've graduated who come back to revisit and can tell you that he has a heart for those he has an opportunity to spend time with. 

Let me share another quote (...please note who it's from...):

"comment from andre ethier:
coach, have you ever tried recruiting a player?
what do you think would be the proper punishment for a coach that has recruited?
thursday august 27, 2009 12:22 andre ethier
12:25
richard taylor: 

The answer is no. I’ve never tried to recruit. I have several players who have come here and said they want to play here. I direct them to our athletic director. I think the punishment set forth by the AIA should be sufficient. http://www.coveritlive.com/ind...c2a6&ipod=y 

He also in the above interview talks about kids/parents making an effort to go to his program.  I know of 2 former players whose families moved into the CeHS boundries so that they can be part of his team:

"A kid shows up and says I want to play. You try to say the right things. Have you talked to your coach? To your parents? But they say I’m already registered here. You don’t turn them down. But this starts not just in high school. It starts in pop warner and in little league. Parents look around to see whose team Bobby is going to be on this year. I know there is a lot of transferring going on, but you can’t fault parents for seeing what is best for their kids. I know we have been in that situation before where you lose your top 3 players and it’s devastating. But as long as the rules are the way they are parents will do what’s in the best interest of the kids."

Clearly there are some who are gloating and seeing Coach Taylor receiving just desserts, but the issue by report does not fall on him but on the process.  Sounds like an easy fix to me and I wish him and his program continued success...until late September when they play LHS.
Not on Coach Taylor but on the process? You must be a Centennial person to make such a ridiculous statement. The "process" was not communicating with another school's athlete Coach Taylor was based on released emails by his own district. Starting to sound like the Bill Clinton famous line of questioning "What is is?". So because Coach Taylor has been around forever means he doesn't need to know the rules because from what I read the rule he violated was pretty clear cut? Someone calls or emails you, tell them to call or email the AD, that is all. Would love to know if there are any coaches on here that are not aware that talking to another school's athlete (or their rep) in any way shape or form is against the rules?
Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/28/2013 7:27 PM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 



Watchutalkinboutwillis wrote: Anyone else find it amazing that Woody chimes in on anything and everything with very strong opinions but is dead quiet now that his Coyotes have been found guilty of recruiting?

Woody you were chirping about Coach Taylor not getting interviewed. Now that he did and it changed nothing, what are your excuses now?

Obviously now we can see where the was smoke there was fire. Just shows that nobody can be trusted in sports bottom line.
Exactly what am I supposed to weigh-in on with a story that hasn't completely played out (there's still a matter of what-if any-disciplinary action the AIA will hand out on the matter)-that the AIA managed to come up with a decision that pleases no one outside of themselves (and their lawyers)?  Or that not one word of what I've previously said on this specific matter has been shown to be false?  

(And in the event that you'd like to double-check that here's every thread on the matter that hasn't been deleted at this time:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=222&f=1138& t=11284936
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=222&f=1138& t=11284836
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=222&f=1138& t=11047098)

Wh0farted is absolutely on-point with his post, and addresses a good portion of what I would say on the matter.  If you're ready to take the AIA's lukewarm statement on the matter as some great stand against a rogue program then you're reacting exactly how the AIA wants you to.

"You've got to remember, that these are just simple farmers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new west. You know . . . morons."

Last edited 02/28/2013 7:30 PM by dangerouswoody

Reply | Quote

Posted: 02/28/2013 7:41 PM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 


Whofarted wasnt the person saying that the violation was not on Coach Taylor, but the process on campus. That quote goes to Art Wagner who is the AIA Executive Board President, is he a "Centennial person".

---------------------------------------------
--- Watchutalkinboutwillis wrote:


wh0farted wrote: "Just shows that nobody can be trusted in sports bottom line."

That's quite a sweeping statement!  I'm sure that there are plenty of people who "can be trusted in sports".
Let me quote from an AIA official:

"...the hearing ended with AIA Executive Board President Art Wagner telling reporters the AIA had accepted a violation by Centennial, “not a violation of Coach Taylor’s, but the process on campus.” ( www.peoriatimes.com/new...1a4bcf887a.html )

I'm not trying to be a Coach Taylor apologist (I'm a Liberty Lion fan), but what I know of him as a good teacher (History-a favorite), a coach, and a person, I have very high regard for him. I've watched him interact w/ kids from Jr. Highers to those who've graduated who come back to revisit and can tell you that he has a heart for those he has an opportunity to spend time with. 

Let me share another quote (...please note who it's from...):

"comment from andre ethier:
coach, have you ever tried recruiting a player?
what do you think would be the proper punishment for a coach that has recruited?
thursday august 27, 2009 12:22 andre ethier
12:25
richard taylor: 
The answer is no. I’ve never tried to recruit. I have several players who have come here and said they want to play here. I direct them to our athletic director. I think the punishment set forth by the AIA should be sufficient. www.coveritlive.com/ind...c2a6&ipod=y 

He also in the above interview talks about kids/parents making an effort to go to his program.  I know of 2 former players whose families moved into the CeHS boundries so that they can be part of his team:

"A kid shows up and says I want to play. You try to say the right things. Have you talked to your coach? To your parents? But they say I’m already registered here. You don’t turn them down. But this starts not just in high school. It starts in pop warner and in little league. Parents look around to see whose team Bobby is going to be on this year. I know there is a lot of transferring going on, but you can’t fault parents for seeing what is best for their kids. I know we have been in that situation before where you lose your top 3 players and it’s devastating. But as long as the rules are the way they are parents will do what’s in the best interest of the kids."

Clearly there are some who are gloating and seeing Coach Taylor receiving just desserts, but the issue by report does not fall on him but on the process.  Sounds like an easy fix to me and I wish him and his program continued success...until late September when they play LHS.
Not on Coach Taylor but on the process? You must be a Centennial person to make such a ridiculous statement. The "process" was not communicating with another school's athlete Coach Taylor was based on released emails by his own district. Starting to sound like the Bill Clinton famous line of questioning "What is is?". So because Coach Taylor has been around forever means he doesn't need to know the rules because from what I read the rule he violated was pretty clear cut? Someone calls or emails you, tell them to call or email the AD, that is all. Would love to know if there are any coaches on here that are not aware that talking to another school's athlete (or their rep) in any way shape or form is against the rules?

---------------------------------------------

"You've got to remember, that these are just simple farmers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new west. You know . . . morons."

Reply | Quote

Posted: 03/01/2013 8:44 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 



Watchutalkinboutwillis wrote:
Starting to sound like the Bill Clinton famous line of questioning "What is is?".
Hey Hey Hey....let's not hit below the belt here....Saying that I'm sounding like The Stainmaker is completely uncalled for biggrin
Reply | Quote

Posted: 03/01/2013 9:01 AM

Re: Judgement handed down in Centennial situation 



wh0farted wrote:
Watchutalkinboutwillis wrote:
Starting to sound like the Bill Clinton famous line of questioning "What is is?".
Hey Hey Hey....let's not hit below the belt here....Saying that I'm sounding like The Stainmaker is completely uncalled for biggrin
Never thought Id see the day that I missed Bill Clinton.
Reply | Quote