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Gilbert Coach out

Posted: 12/02/2012 5:21 PM

Gilbert Coach out 


I tweeted about this on Friday and debated posting it or not but I want to express my opinion.

Leland Rogers was fired at Gilbert on Friday after just one season. Had zero to do with his team's performance on the field but more from an anonymous complaint that had zero validity.

I have worked with Leland at the Men in the Trenches Camp for several years now and he has never been anything but an awesome person and I will speak out in his defense.

An out of control parent called the district and said that "members of the Gilbert staff, physically and emotionally abused the kids."

No one coach was named or any specific example was given. No dates, no certain kid. Nothing.

As the district should, the investigated. Found nothing. There were claims that kids were made do 1000 up downs. Crazy. When asked if Gilbert's kids did up downs, the answer was yes. That was deemed excessive. Give me a freakin break!!!

Rogers wasn't initially fired. The district went to the parent, as if this person in charge. The parent was told Rogers was talked to. The response from the parent was, "I want him fired and will not go away until he is. I will make claims and go to the media anonymously and give bad press." (paraphrasing of course).

The district then fired him.

Kids and other parents went to the admin in Rogers' defense...nothing was done.

Sad when our higher ups want fight and would rather just give in.

Leland is one of the good guys out there.
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Posted: 12/02/2012 5:50 PM

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This really is too bad for the coach. I have worked in athletics in the East Valley for nearly 30 years, and do not respect the decisions in Gilbert. They are becoming a politically run mess of a district. 
Unfortunately, coaches are not fired.  They are on a year to year contract, so the district has a lot more leeway in how to get rid of a coach without repercussions.  I hope people look down more on Gilbert administration than on Coach Rogers who sounded like he was railroaded.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 6:43 AM

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When an administration throws its head coach under the bus over ONE anonymous report of an unhappy parent because little Jonny didn't want to do up downs is completely repulsive. The administration never had his back, not even for a second, the district acted like they were going to stand by him and then this happens. For any kid to tell their parent(s) that he was subjected to one thousand up downs just seems like to me the kid may have a personal vendetta out on the coach. Now I myself have seen situations of kids having to do 100 up downs however, they were handed down for disciplinary reasons and not really for conditioning purposes and never once did I ever hear that it was excessive!!
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Posted: 12/03/2012 7:03 AM

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First of all, I am sick of these prinipals and district admins caving to pressure from someone who has money or power. This isn't college!! If every person was fired for an error in judgement or a mistake none of us would have jobs!!Principals and Districts are going to start running out coaches.

On another note for the puprose of proper prespective, there was obviously something that went down that had SOME weight.

The starting Quarterback said he understood the original email being sent and an Assistant Coach was suspended. But once you do an investigation to find no other course of action should be taken and you tell a person they are safe only to be a coward a few days later, you have lose any credibility from here on out.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 7:57 AM

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Here's the real question - what coach in his right mind is going to want to coach at Gilbert now, knowing that the school is not going to have his back on any "anonymous parent" complaints? And secondly, the coaches that are currently at Gilbert for other sports - should they be worried about their own job security?

If I'm a coach for another sport at Gilbert High, I start looking immediately elsewhere. When the DISTRICT finds no wrongdoing in its investigation but the school ends up firing the coach anyway in a show of no confidence, that speaks volumes about the school's current administration.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 12:12 PM

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This is an example of the wussification of society.  Work use to not be a bad four letter word, the pain of training was expected and accepted and disciplining a player whether it be physical or by removing playing time was understood and appreciated for the lessons it taught a player or players.  It's not the kids fault its the dang parents who need to have some sense pounded in to them- when their kid is 30 living at home, sometime employed and they are raising Jr's 3 kids from 3 different women they'll be wondering who's fault it is their kids a turd.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 12:20 PM

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ranchandkc wrote: Here's the real question - what coach in his right mind is going to want to coach at Gilbert now, knowing that the school is not going to have his back on any "anonymous parent" complaints? And secondly, the coaches that are currently at Gilbert for other sports - should they be worried about their own job security?

If I'm a coach for another sport at Gilbert High, I start looking immediately elsewhere. When the DISTRICT finds no wrongdoing in its investigation but the school ends up firing the coach anyway in a show of no confidence, that speaks volumes about the school's current administration.
  You are sounding more and more like AZSPORTSNETWORK thus losing credibility.
If a district really really really wants a coach they would make sure he stays.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 1:14 PM

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There just has to be more to it. Schools are not allowed to give details about employees and their employment, so you see a lot of this in the paper and think, WTF, when really you only have half the info.

This has happened at every school I have taught at (sometimes coaches, sometimes teachers, sometimes admin) and it never failed. Those of us in the know couldn't believe what was being reported.

I have no idea what happened over at Gilbert, but I would bet money we don't have the whole story.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 3:57 PM

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"You can count on one hand the number of students that liked and respected Rodgers. He commanded respect out of fear. "

"There are dozens of documented accounts of emotional and physical abuse, hazing and numerous violations of district and AIA rules. "

Quotes from a Mr. Cahalan via Facebook on Azcentral. Since I'm too old for Facebook, I'll use this forum to ponder.

Was a survey done to determine the likes and dislikes of the varsity players? Probably not, so this is an opinion.
Is there a gauge to determine origination of respect? Not that I know of, so opinion again.
Documented by who and and in what form? Which specific rules? GPS, AIA, or otherwise.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 4:06 PM

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Guess I don't know enough about Gilbert football. Who is Mr. Cahalan.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 4:41 PM

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Those kids wouldn't have survived when Coach Jesse Parker was there. He was one tough guy demanded your best effort.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 4:47 PM

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tooold wrote: "You can count on one hand the number of students that liked and respected Rodgers. He commanded respect out of fear. "

"There are dozens of documented accounts of emotional and physical abuse, hazing and numerous violations of district and AIA rules. "

Quotes from a Mr. Cahalan via Facebook on Azcentral. Since I'm too old for Facebook, I'll use this forum to ponder.

Was a survey done to determine the likes and dislikes of the varsity players? Probably not, so this is an opinion.
Is there a gauge to determine origination of respect? Not that I know of, so opinion again.
Documented by who and and in what form? Which specific rules? GPS, AIA, or otherwise.
Who is Cahalan? I hope not someone in admin.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 5:22 PM

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I don't know either, but had a few paragraphs after the articles concerning this situation on AzCentral.com
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Posted: 12/04/2012 8:00 AM

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Cahalan is a parent of a JV player.  A very bias opinion due to the fact that he was disgruntled that his son played JV and not Varsity.
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Posted: 12/04/2012 8:39 AM

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My son played for Gilbert last season and the firing wasn't surprising.  There were numerious AIA compliance issues and a dozen parent complaints that I at least know of many having to do with the treatment of players and mandatory spring and summer functions.  For example, I wasn't allowed a summer vacation this year for the first time in about 6 seasons of me parenting athletes because of this.  Does this mean kids are sissys?  Perhaps.  But nearly 50 kids quit last summer in Gilbert Football because they valued friendships, grades, and a well-rounded experience more than their obsession with football.  

However, I chalked these issues up to an overzealous coach trying to make an impact out of the gate when parents, the community, and everyone on this blog demands it.  It seems like a few easy conversations between the coaching staff and administration would have quickly rectify these issues in order for a more positive experience for some of these players and coaches next season. 

More importantly, my son has said he wouldn't be the player he was today without Coach Rodgers and his staff and he is furious that he has to again start from scratch with a new staff next season.  He has been a pasionate supporter of Rodgers from the start and he has been outspoken in defense of Rodgers since his firing.  This is a complete failure of Athletic Director Daniel Haasch and the rest of the Administration. 

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Posted: 12/04/2012 10:54 AM

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You gotta be kidding me, right?  You didnt get a summer vacation???  Oh poor you. 
Mandatory spring and summer functions?  OMG  

This is exactly why Gilbert will not be relevant in football in the near future.  This type of coddling attitude from the parents. 

If you took this attitude to any of the top programs in the state, you would be laughed at, sir.  In order to be a champion, you have to sacrifice. 

Enjoy your vacations and friendships, because you and your cohorts have ruined your sons high school football experience.
princeofgilbert wrote:

My son played for Gilbert last season and the firing wasn't surprising.  There were numerious AIA compliance issues and a dozen parent complaints that I at least know of many having to do with the treatment of players and mandatory spring and summer functions.  For example, I wasn't allowed a summer vacation this year for the first time in about 6 seasons of me parenting athletes because of this.  Does this mean kids are sissys?  Perhaps.  But nearly 50 kids quit last summer in Gilbert Football because they valued friendships, grades, and a well-rounded experience more than their obsession with football.  

However, I chalked these issues up to an overzealous coach trying to make an impact out of the gate when parents, the community, and everyone on this blog demands it.  It seems like a few easy conversations between the coaching staff and administration would have quickly rectify these issues in order for a more positive experience for some of these players and coaches next season. 

More importantly, my son has said he wouldn't be the player he was today without Coach Rodgers and his staff and he is furious that he has to again start from scratch with a new staff next season.  He has been a pasionate supporter of Rodgers from the start and he has been outspoken in defense of Rodgers since his firing.  This is a complete failure of Athletic Director Daniel Haasch and the rest of the Administration. 

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Posted: 12/04/2012 11:19 AM

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I know of a coach let go a couple of years with similar public venting about administrators.  They have their hands legally tied and can't respond, but trust me the individual fired had it coming, big time.  There is another side to this story, but we're not going to hear it.  Do you really believe they threatened to they will go to the media and the district caved?  I have been threatened with 3 on your side at least five times and have yet to hear from them.
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Posted: 12/04/2012 12:06 PM

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It is this type of thinking that is keeping good kids from playing High School sports. And by "this" I mean the extreme view point one way or the other.

This parent stated there was a change in culture. He said nothing of crying and keeping his kid from going to football. Ruining his HS football experience? How?

Maybe these parents arent into championships. Maybe they are about teaching their kids life lessons and enjoying the game of football.

Not all kids and parents have the passion and desire that Head Coaches have. Some want to enjoy hanging out with their friends at practice and playing football on Friday nights. This, "must sacrifice to be a champion" works only to a point. Then you start pushing kids who could help your program away. Whether thats spring football, summer workouts, Baseball in the fall, summer basketball camps etc.

Now on the other side, there seems to be more parents who did not play sports and do not quite understand the concept of team. That 50 other kids are counting on you to show up everyday and work hard. Telling a kid they have to miss practice for such and such reason does nothing but hurts the kid and the team. You are in your full right to take your kids on vacation or do whatever you feel is best for them. And the Coach does the same.

I think both Coaches and Parents/Players need to meet more in the middle.

MrTinkerTrain wrote: You gotta be kidding me, right?  You didnt get a summer vacation???  Oh poor you. 
Mandatory spring and summer functions?  OMG  

This is exactly why Gilbert will not be relevant in football in the near future.  This type of coddling attitude from the parents. 

If you took this attitude to any of the top programs in the state, you would be laughed at, sir.  In order to be a champion, you have to sacrifice. 

Enjoy your vacations and friendships, because you and your cohorts have ruined your sons high school football experience.
princeofgilbert wrote:

My son played for Gilbert last season and the firing wasn't surprising.  There were numerious AIA compliance issues and a dozen parent complaints that I at least know of many having to do with the treatment of players and mandatory spring and summer functions.  For example, I wasn't allowed a summer vacation this year for the first time in about 6 seasons of me parenting athletes because of this.  Does this mean kids are sissys?  Perhaps.  But nearly 50 kids quit last summer in Gilbert Football because they valued friendships, grades, and a well-rounded experience more than their obsession with football.  

However, I chalked these issues up to an overzealous coach trying to make an impact out of the gate when parents, the community, and everyone on this blog demands it.  It seems like a few easy conversations between the coaching staff and administration would have quickly rectify these issues in order for a more positive experience for some of these players and coaches next season. 

More importantly, my son has said he wouldn't be the player he was today without Coach Rodgers and his staff and he is furious that he has to again start from scratch with a new staff next season.  He has been a pasionate supporter of Rodgers from the start and he has been outspoken in defense of Rodgers since his firing.  This is a complete failure of Athletic Director Daniel Haasch and the rest of the Administration. 

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Posted: 12/04/2012 12:25 PM

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Do you seriously think that the Gilbert School District is going to give out the details of multiple investigations that led to the firing of a 1st year head coach after his first season?  Do you honestly think that if the school district did multiple investigations, found nothing (as you stated) that they would turn around and fire a coach just because they were in the mood for it that day?  There were dates (yes multiple dates), and there were specific players names (yes multiple names) and there were more then one occasion presented in the multiple formal complaints brought forth to the Gilbert School District (every formal complaint issued requires a formal investigation by the district office-they have been very busy...).  

This is where it stands...he was fired for many, many reasons...and all of this talk about "oh the poor kids had to do updowns or physical punishments because they were late or went on vacations" or whatever is complete BS.  I am sick and tired of hearing the details that Leland Rodgers (who was FIRED) has chosen to hand over to the media.  Did anyone ever think that maybe the ex-coach isn't a very reputable source since he was the one FIRED

Think outside the box people-it is an ugly world out there...Gilbert School District finally made a wise, well thought out decision.  The right choice isn't necessarily the easiest...

Oh by the way...the so called "one parent" that the media is so fond of stating was not notified of the firing, nor were any of the other numerous parents and staff members who had complained and/or had issues with this ex-coach.  The only bad press given here was by Rodgers...
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Posted: 12/04/2012 12:27 PM

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Thank goodness for that leeway!  I would hate to have been stuck with him for another season!

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