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Deer Valley Job Open

Posted: 11/21/2012 2:57 PM

Deer Valley Job Open 


Adam Larsen steps down as Deer Valley HC
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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:32 AM

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jeff247football wrote: Adam Larsen steps down as Deer Valley HC
Poweri77   "  They need to hire a young up and coming guy that is proven and is the right fit  not the same old retreads "  biggrin
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:51 PM

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johnwing wrote:
jeff247football wrote: Adam Larsen steps down as Deer Valley HC
Poweri77   "  They need to hire a young up and coming guy that is proven and is the right fit  not the same old retreads "  biggrin
I whole heartedly agree!!  What's happening is that the young coaches are getting tired of busting their asses, proving themselves with and for the old coaches, in hopes of getting an opportunity to become a head coach, only to have admin drag their feet when hiring waiting for some retread to pop up.  Then these young coaches just end up being career lower level coaches, coach some other sport or just get out of coaching all together, becasue they get tired of all the politics and bull$h!t.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:32 PM

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trex32 wrote:
johnwing wrote:
jeff247football wrote: Adam Larsen steps down as Deer Valley HC
Poweri77   "  They need to hire a young up and coming guy that is proven and is the right fit  not the same old retreads "  biggrin
I whole heartedly agree!!  What's happening is that the young coaches are getting tired of busting their asses, proving themselves with and for the old coaches, in hopes of getting an opportunity to become a head coach, only to have admin drag their feet when hiring waiting for some retread to pop up.  Then these young coaches just end up being career lower level coaches, coach some other sport or just get out of coaching all together, becasue they get tired of all the politics and bull$h!t.
if that's the case they wouldn't be capable of being a head coach
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Posted: 11/23/2012 5:04 PM

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Why did they only give him one year? Seems very unfair. Or did he quit on his own? If he was fired why would someone else want to come in and take the same chance?
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Posted: 11/23/2012 5:40 PM

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He resigned

Johnwing, that couldn't be further than the truth. There are LOTS of assistant coaches who are more than capable of filling a HC position that fit the above description. For some reason Arizona administrators like recycling the same guys year in and year out and many coaches get tired of throwing their hat in the ring only to see the same guys end up with the jobs.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:19 PM

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Larsen was an assistant at DV before he became the head coach. Was he not a young and upcomer (yes i know he had head coaching experience)? Please stop with the young and upcoming comment. There are plenty of good coaches out there that can build a program. Age isn't a large issue. What will help any new head coach is a good staff from freshmen to varsity and a supportive administration.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 7:41 AM

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Tnasty wrote: He resigned

Johnwing, that couldn't be further than the truth. There are LOTS of assistant coaches who are more than capable of filling a HC position that fit the above description. For some reason Arizona administrators like recycling the same guys year in and year out and many coaches get tired of throwing their hat in the ring only to see the same guys end up with the jobs.
 I am sure you are correct there are lots of  asistants that would be great Head coaches. But I am sure administrators have to do what they have to do.
On that note name me 5 retreads  in the last couple of years. Since we seem to throw out that term so easily.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:02 AM

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Sure. Just off the top of my head:
Mey to Copper Canyon
Larson to DV
Mitchell to La Joya
Wilke to Tolleson
De la Torre to Dobson

There's five. I'm not saying that these guys are bad coaches, by the way. I'm sure they're great. What I am saying is that you're incorrect when you say assistant coaches are not head coaching material.

Also, you can throw in Cook going to Shadow Mountain and Chapelle replacing him at North

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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:06 AM

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johnwing wrote: 

 I am sure you are correct there are lots of  asistants that would be great Head coaches. But I am sure administrators have to do what they have to do.
On that note name me 5 retreads  in the last couple of years. Since we seem to throw out that term so easily.

The term "retread" is used rather liberally whenever the coaching openings subject comes up, usually used to label anyone who isn't the next big thing from the assistant coaching pool.  "Retread" shouldn't be used to describe someone who's had two coaching jobs and been wildly successful at both, without any drop-off whatsoever (see DeLaTorre).  A retread also isn't a relatively young guy that had a good measure of small-school coaching success, joins a more experienced coaching staff's team before subsequently inheriting that lead position (see Larson prior to this year).  Your retreads are your guys that have been around for years, had a small measure of success at some point, but haven't been back to that level for a while.  If someone like a Gerry LaBelle or to a lesser degree a Mike Clark were to come out of retirement I'd see that as a true "retread" hire.

What I find funny in all of this talk about retreads and up-and-comers is when I was arguing with a Deer Valley fan regarding their struggles this year it seemed as though Larson's relative youth was held against him (i.e. he'd use the word "dude" around his players), and similar was made of DeGrenier at Mountain View during the 2011 season (i.e. his assistant coaches didn't wear matching shirts).  People are more infatuated with the idea of an up-and-coming whiz-kid coach with some patently innovative playbook than they are the reality of the matter (that they are usually just an ordinary coach that simply has a more contemporary venacular and outlook on things).

"You've got to remember, that these are just simple farmers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new west. You know . . . morons."

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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:11 AM

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Woody, I agree with that. (My God, the Mayans must be right!)

Again, I'm not screaming for every open job to go to some 28 year old guy who's worked his butt off being a JV head coach. There have been plenty of hires with previous head coaching experience that I thought were great (Rodriguez to O'Connor, Wellbrock to DE). And I didn't use the word "retread."
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:44 AM

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If I were to guess, coach Larsen was very involved with his family. With another baby on the way this year, I would guess that family played a huge part in his decision to resign. Btw, I never heard him call a player "dude"
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:12 AM

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Woody, I agree with that. (My God, the Mayans must be right!)

Again, I'm not screaming for every open job to go to some 28 year old guy who's worked his butt off being a JV head coach. There have been plenty of hires with previous head coaching experience that I thought were great (Rodriguez to O'Connor, Wellbrock to DE). And I didn't use the word "retread."

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I don't know about Rodriguez! Yes first 2 seasons took sdo to the playoffs, but what has happened since? 3-7 and 3-7 the last 2 years! Looks like Tempe. 1-9, 4-6, 5-6. An average of 4 years as head coach at each school. Rodriguez might be called your prototypical retread!
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:22 AM

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az1husker wrote: If I were to guess, coach Larsen was very involved with his family. With another baby on the way this year, I would guess that family played a huge part in his decision to resign. Btw, I never heard him call a player "dude"
And that seems pretty plausible.  I always thought Larsen was a good pick for Deer Valley and that he would have had a good measure of success there with a little bit of time.

"You've got to remember, that these are just simple farmers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new west. You know . . . morons."

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