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Dennard and Allen against MP

Posted: 11/17/2012 9:29 AM

Dennard and Allen against MP 


Why were Dennard and Allen playing?  Dennard hurt his knee in the first quarter and he was done.  Two weeks ago he couldn't run at all and didn't play against Chandler.  Last night, he got hit and could not put pressure on it to walk to the sideline.  Huge brace to even be able to suit up...

Allen had zero explosiveness.  I don't think he caught a ball and if memory serves, he was not even thrown to.  They ran a lot of counters with him all season, but they just split him out and he was effectively just running half speed.  He wasn't even effective as a decoy.

But with as much depth and talent as Brophy has, and knowing that those two players are great, certainly your backup at 100% is better than two kids that cannot move, cut or run because of knee and ankle injuries.  What does that say to your backups and underclassmen that you would put kids who are injured out there instead of putting a healthy kid who has worked just as hard all year and might be more than just a decoy?  And then sending Dennard back in after his knee injury...

Last edited 11/17/2012 10:05 AM by 93Wrangler

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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:31 AM

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Dennard wore a knee brace all season. My guess is that Dennard said he was good to go (hard to watch your team lose while you're injured on the sideline) and the coaches believed him and put him back in. 

Allen was definitely in there as a decoy and Brophy shouldve pulled him out once MP realized he wasnt a threat which was pretty early in the game. Good idea though. If they continued to commit a safety over top all night then that would help free up other receivers.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:57 AM

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FairAndBalanced1 wrote: Those two EARNED the right to be out there & showed a lot of courage by playing through some serious pain. The Brophy QB also played with an injured throwing hand, ran the ball & took some serious shots. All good kids who put the TEAM first & risked a lot prior to signing their letters of intent. 
You can play injured kids at O-Line and D-line because they do not have to cut, break, move, and run full speed.  Not at RB and WR.  When a kid cannot move and cut and do the things he normally can, now he is at REAL RISK to sustain additional shots.  He has to go straight forward and takes direct hits instead of glancing blows because his mobility is limited. 

As a player, I would lie, cheat, steal, and possibly slit a kid or coach's throat to get on that field in a playoff game.  As a coach, I have the responsibility to not only do what is best for my team, but to protect my players from the MACHO crap that says, "Get me in there coach."  These kids were not "slightly" injured.  They were noticeably limping just walking back to the huddle.  Neither of them could go full speed.  They were a liability to their team and they were at risk of injury.  These are two D-I caliber players who have college futures.

Everyone is "hurt" over the course of a season.  These two were INJURED.  What the hell is so important that a coach lets a kid jeopardize his college career to play in a playoff game for the benefit of his TEAM?  We used to have that mentality about concussions.  Get some ammonia and get back in there...  I might have missed the exact sequence, but it looked like Dennard got hit squared up on the first play of the second half for BCP and fumbled the ball...  He was going 50% and #7 for Mountain Pointe was going 100%.  A running back has to take on Linebackers and if they are full speed and he is not bad things happen.  You protect your kids from themselves.  They held him out of the Chandler game over the same knee and he barely played last week.  If he was too injured to play the last two weeks, did he suddenly get better?  Because I thought when he went off the field in the first QTR, given that he had not played in two weeks due to the same knee injury, you rest him.  And you hope he is ready for Hamilton.  And that is the logic you use for Allen and Dennard...  We need you two healthy for Hamilton and your teammates will do their jobs.  We are a team.  When one guy goes down another steps up.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:45 PM

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93Wrangler wrote:
FairAndBalanced1 wrote: Those two EARNED the right to be out there & showed a lot of courage by playing through some serious pain. The Brophy QB also played with an injured throwing hand, ran the ball & took some serious shots. All good kids who put the TEAM first & risked a lot prior to signing their letters of intent. 
You can play injured kids at O-Line and D-line because they do not have to cut, break, move, and run full speed.  Not at RB and WR.  When a kid cannot move and cut and do the things he normally can, now he is at REAL RISK to sustain additional shots.  He has to go straight forward and takes direct hits instead of glancing blows because his mobility is limited. 

As a player, I would lie, cheat, steal, and possibly slit a kid or coach's throat to get on that field in a playoff game.  As a coach, I have the responsibility to not only do what is best for my team, but to protect my players from the MACHO crap that says, "Get me in there coach."  These kids were not "slightly" injured.  They were noticeably limping just walking back to the huddle.  Neither of them could go full speed.  They were a liability to their team and they were at risk of injury.  These are two D-I caliber players who have college futures.

Everyone is "hurt" over the course of a season.  These two were INJURED.  What the hell is so important that a coach lets a kid jeopardize his college career to play in a playoff game for the benefit of his TEAM?  We used to have that mentality about concussions.  Get some ammonia and get back in there...  I might have missed the exact sequence, but it looked like Dennard got hit squared up on the first play of the second half for BCP and fumbled the ball...  He was going 50% and #7 for Mountain Pointe was going 100%.  A running back has to take on Linebackers and if they are full speed and he is not bad things happen.  You protect your kids from themselves.  They held him out of the Chandler game over the same knee and he barely played last week.  If he was too injured to play the last two weeks, did he suddenly get better?  Because I thought when he went off the field in the first QTR, given that he had not played in two weeks due to the same knee injury, you rest him.  And you hope he is ready for Hamilton.  And that is the logic you use for Allen and Dennard...  We need you two healthy for Hamilton and your teammates will do their jobs.  We are a team.  When one guy goes down another steps up.
Wrangler,

To save you a little time, go to 3:55 on the timeline. I will make sure I take a screen shot of your comment. I know this won't be enough to satisfy your need for attention, but I am sure it will keep you busy most of the night biggrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLJlj2DmlQk

Remember...Galileo was once deemed a Heretic...

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Posted: 11/17/2012 4:40 PM

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Just keep in mind Dennis Dixon...

bleacherreport.com/articles/46...or-dennis-dixon

Still having prolonged knee problems with the same knee. He was a warrior too. Just like Tebow. The coaches not keeping him out after he hurt his ACL has turned that knee to mush. Knees are a funny thing... They start giving you problems and you overcompensate and then they get worse...

Brophy sat the kid for two weeks for a reason. It was clear his knee needed rest. He tried to play last week and hurt it after a couple of carries. He has had 9 carries in the last three games total. In the three games without Dennard, Edwards has rushed 37 times for 174 and 6TD's against Pinnacle, Chandler, and Red Mountain--all three playoff opponents. I am not saying Edwards is nearly as good as Dennard, but I am saying Edwards is better than a HURT Dennard. I think Relf is better than a hurt Dennard. In a four week span midseason, Dennard rushed for 800 yards. He is not the same back.

Did Scooter think he was magically going to heal and suddenly rush for 250 yards? OK, maybe going into the game you let him carry the ball and see, but once his knee got hit again, it was time for him to shut it down. That is a hard thing to tell a kid, that you are shutting him down. But sending him back in after he took the shot and had to be helped off the field was a mistake. I am saying as a fan, Dennard was hurt bad enough that no way he belonged out there to start the second half. And it showed.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 4:46 PM

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gaucho45 wrote:
Wrangler,

To save you a little time, go to 3:55 on the timeline. I will make sure I take a screen shot of your comment. I know this won't be enough to satisfy your need for attention, but I am sure it will keep you busy most of the night biggrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLJlj2DmlQk
Come on now...  My need for attention cannot be satisfied.  I am practically Charlie Sheen, only they are not pr0n stars and strippers, they are usually drug addict hookers.  They give me as much attention as an 8 ball will buy...
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Posted: 11/19/2012 11:47 AM

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The hardest thing a coach my ever have to do is listen to a senior begging to go out and help his team and you are the one the has to say no.  The coach may just have allowed a senior to end his final season on his own terms- don't know.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:15 PM

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There are multiple doctors and trainers on the Brophy sideline who have been working with Marche for many years so I am sure that this decision was not left to just any one person.  And based on my past experience coach Molander was asking the medical staff to make the call.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:11 PM

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www.azcentral.com/members/Blog...73929#protected

Blue Ridge has the same issue with a stress fracture to Cox.

"Lakeside Blue Ridge senior linebacker/running back Chans Cox will suit up and step foot on the field at Northern Arizona's Walkup Skydome on Friday night for the Division IV football championship game against Chandler Seton Catholic.

But don't expect Cox to be a factor. He could be used much the same way Phoenix Brophy Prep senior wide receiver Devon Allen was used in Friday's Division I semifinal against Phoenix Mountain Pointe. As a decoy. Allen didn't catch a pass in that game, but he played the entire game at wide receiver, despite a sprained ankle.

Cox, picked to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl in January, has been out for the playoffs with a hair-line foot facture. The 6-foot-3, 235-pounder, who is headed to Arizona State in January, has been battling injuries since August. First, it was a high ankle sprain that slowed him considerably until late in the season. Now the foot fracture.

Coach Paul Moro won't deny Cox a chance to play in his final high school game. But how much?

"He will play some," Moro said.

Cox could just be in on a play or two, just so he can say he was part of the state championship game his senior year."
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Posted: 11/19/2012 6:10 PM

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The only people who could and should answer the question raised in this thread are Marche, Devon and their parents - incredible players in possibly their last high school game - very tough call but hats off to those boys for fighting through injuries to try to help their teams and go down fighting - it was their call, and their call only - mad respect.
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