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The Conference Shuffle Continues...

Posted: 09/12/2012 8:49 AM

The Conference Shuffle Continues... 


ESPN is reporting Notre Dame is leaving the Big East.  All sports except football (and hockey) will go to the ACC.  ND football will be independent with an agreement to play  a certain number of games against ACC teams.  The reporter commented on how the Big East is having a sort of identity crisis because it "covers so many time zones".
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Posted: 09/12/2012 9:44 AM

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gobarbless wrote: ESPN is reporting Notre Dame is leaving the Big East.  All sports except football (and hockey) will go to the ACC.  ND football will be independent with an agreement to play  a certain number of games against ACC teams.  The reporter commented on how the Big East is having a sort of identity crisis because it "covers so many time zones".
He said it wasn't the Big East anymore, but the Big 3 time zone.
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Posted: 09/12/2012 12:19 PM

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The thought is they need one more school now for scheduling and that school will come from the Big East.The Big East would then add more western schools opening a slot for Idaho possibly .Football only in the MWC would be fine help with expenses and we would have a shot at long term success .
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Posted: 09/12/2012 12:48 PM

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ND had some problems with the academic reputation of the Big East, especially in light of the "incoming members." Although academics don't really matter to most conferences, they matter to schools like ND.


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Posted: 09/12/2012 3:02 PM

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The Really Big Continental Conference.
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Posted: 09/12/2012 3:07 PM

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You probably are right about the academics, but do not dismiss the impact that basketball had in ND's decision.  The Big East of old was a basketball paradise, but now the ACC is more appealing.  Let me see.........Duke, UNC, NC State, Pitt, UCONN, FSU...........or what's left in the Big East?  IMO - The Big East will raid both the MAC and the MWC to survive. 
VandalPride97 wrote: ND had some problems with the academic reputation of the Big East, especially in light of the "incoming members." Although academics don't really matter to most conferences, they matter to schools like ND.
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Posted: 09/12/2012 6:16 PM

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Academic reputation or the 5 ACC games per year. One of those. ND insuring future schedule as football independent. Even they are having issues with scheduling.
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ND had some problems with the academic reputation of the Big East, especially in light of the "incoming members." Although academics don't really matter to most conferences, they matter to schools like ND.

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Posted: 09/12/2012 6:57 PM

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Broncofan1970 wrote:
Academic reputation or the 5 ACC games per year. One of those. ND insuring future schedule as football independent. Even they are having issues with scheduling.
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ND had some problems with the academic reputation of the Big East, especially in light of the "incoming members." Although academics don't really matter to most conferences, they matter to schools like ND.

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You're right, I've been hearing nothing but "Notre Dame can't schedule anyone" for the past years. Never mind their half dozen rivalries, deep pockets, nation wide audience, it is really hard to have a name and reputation like ND and fill a schedule. rolleyes
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Posted: 09/12/2012 7:04 PM

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So now all of a sudden that golden egg TV contract may not be so 'golden'....
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Posted: 09/12/2012 7:16 PM

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Past years there were smaller conferences. ND will find it harder to schedule "Big 5" teams as conferences expand. This is a proactive step by ND. Smart move.

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Broncofan1970 wrote:
Academic reputation or the 5 ACC games per year. One of those. ND insuring future schedule as football independent. Even they are having issues with scheduling.
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--- VandalPride97 wrote:

ND had some problems with the academic reputation of the Big East, especially in light of the "incoming members." Although academics don't really matter to most conferences, they matter to schools like ND.

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You're right, I've been hearing nothing but "Notre Dame can't schedule anyone" for the past years. Never mind their half dozen rivalries, deep pockets, nation wide audience, it is really hard to have a name and reputation like ND and fill a schedule. rolleyes

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Posted: 09/12/2012 7:23 PM

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Haha seriously; although the only people who thought it was a golden egg in the first place were delusional or uninformed. Say hello to a TV contract equivalent to what the MWC and C-USA just negotiated, since the teams are nearly identical.

Although, to be fair, I will concede that if it comes to bear that Louisville, UCONN, Rutgers and Cincy each truly bring $15 million dollars a year in television value to any conference they join (which, if that were the case you'd imagine they would have been invited to the ACC or Big 12 by now...) the the contract truly still could land between the $6-20 million some Bronco fans expect (even though the facts seem to say anything between $2-3 million would be exceptional).
OldVandal wrote: So now all of a sudden that golden egg TV contract may not be so 'golden'....
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Posted: 09/12/2012 7:30 PM

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Broncofan1970 wrote: Past years there were smaller conferences. ND will find it harder to schedule "Big 5" teams as conferences expand. This is a proactive step by ND. Smart move.

Bigger conferences split into two divisions = less conference games necessary.  Also, ND is potentially (likely) giving up some OOC games vs. the B1G.  I wouldn't call that smart.

My guess is that ND just couldn't stomach sitting at the conference table with a certain Pres/AD from an unnamed western college that begins with "bois_" and ends with "_tate."  I know they won't actually play each other in any sport, but just the thought of having to put up with him at conference meetings made ND run for the nearest Big East exit.  History tends to repeat itself (i.e. TCU, Utah, BYU, WVU, and now ND.  And that's just off the top of my head).




  

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Posted: 09/12/2012 8:10 PM

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tjb48 wrote:
Broncofan1970 wrote: Past years there were smaller conferences. ND will find it harder to schedule "Big 5" teams as conferences expand. This is a proactive step by ND. Smart move.

Bigger conferences split into two divisions = less conference games necessary.  Also, ND is potentially (likely) giving up some OOC games vs. the B1G.  I wouldn't call that smart.

My guess is that ND just couldn't stomach sitting at the conference table with a certain Pres/AD from an unnamed western college that begins with "bois_" and ends with "_tate."  I know they won't actually play each other in any sport, but just the thought of having to put up with him at conference meetings made ND run for the nearest Big East exit.  History tends to repeat itself (i.e. TCU, Utah, BYU, WVU, and now ND.  And that's just off the top of my head).
Hardly. It's a scheduling move more than anything. I have no idea why you think there are fewer conference games necessary. Everybody is playing at least 8, some 9 (PAC12, Big 12)... that leaves 3-4 games for those schools to schedule and most want a couple of patsies like Idaho to open the season with. Notre Dame won't do that so they needed the 5 guaranteed games (opposed to the 3 they were getting from the Big East) plus they can now get BC back on the schedule.

Likewise, this has little impact on the TV deal. Notre Dame isn't worth much outside of football and they weren't a football member.
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Posted: 09/12/2012 8:30 PM

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MartinD15 wrote:
tjb48 wrote:
Broncofan1970 wrote: Past years there were smaller conferences. ND will find it harder to schedule "Big 5" teams as conferences expand. This is a proactive step by ND. Smart move.

Bigger conferences split into two divisions = less conference games necessary.  Also, ND is potentially (likely) giving up some OOC games vs. the B1G.  I wouldn't call that smart.

My guess is that ND just couldn't stomach sitting at the conference table with a certain Pres/AD from an unnamed western college that begins with "bois_" and ends with "_tate."  I know they won't actually play each other in any sport, but just the thought of having to put up with him at conference meetings made ND run for the nearest Big East exit.  History tends to repeat itself (i.e. TCU, Utah, BYU, WVU, and now ND.  And that's just off the top of my head).
Hardly. It's a scheduling move more than anything. I have no idea why you think there are fewer conference games necessary. Everybody is playing at least 8, some 9 (PAC12, Big 12)... that leaves 3-4 games for those schools to schedule and most want a couple of patsies like Idaho to open the season with. Notre Dame won't do that so they needed the 5 guaranteed games (opposed to the 3 they were getting from the Big East) plus they can now get BC back on the schedule.

Likewise, this has little impact on the TV deal. Notre Dame isn't worth much outside of football and they weren't a football member.
ND already has Miami and BC on the schedule.  It is only 3 games.  They will continue to play Mich, Mich St, Prude, Navy, and USC every year.  ACC is a better fit and conference.  Stanford and BYU also are very interested in keeping a series going.  This move is all about ACC>>Big East.

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Posted: 09/12/2012 9:14 PM

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they also play pitt(moving to ACC).

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Posted: 09/12/2012 11:09 PM

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Mark2012 wrote: The thought is they need one more school now for scheduling and that school will come from the Big East.The Big East would then add more western schools opening a slot for Idaho possibly .Football only in the MWC would be fine help with expenses and we would have a shot at long term success .
Only if every other school in the MWC says not interested, which will not happen. This move does nothing to help UI's chances of a conference berth. With none of the MWC schools interested in traveling to Moscow and playing in the KD why in the world would any BE school be interested? And if a MWC program did make the jump to BE, it still will not materially improve UI's chances of joining that conference.
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Posted: 09/12/2012 11:23 PM

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mntbronc wrote: Haha seriously; although the only people who thought it was a golden egg in the first place were delusional or uninformed. Say hello to a TV contract equivalent to what the MWC and C-USA just negotiated, since the teams are nearly identical.

Although, to be fair, I will concede that if it comes to bear that Louisville, UCONN, Rutgers and Cincy each truly bring $15 million dollars a year in television value to any conference they join (which, if that were the case you'd imagine they would have been invited to the ACC or Big 12 by now...) the the contract truly still could land between the $6-20 million some Bronco fans expect (even though the facts seem to say anything between $2-3 million would be exceptional).
OldVandal wrote: So now all of a sudden that golden egg TV contract may not be so 'golden'....
The MWC/CUSA contract you reference in expected to pay member institutions approximately $8 million per year each. ND's exclusive contract with NBC, which has 4 more years to run, pays the Irish $15 million per year, for home games only. They also get $$$ for each road game. ND will thus be raking in about 3x the MWC/CUSA members. Unless I'm misunderstanding your comment, which is entirely possible, that is far from equivalency.

(I'm assuming the original"golden egg" reference was to the NBC/ND contract.)

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Posted: 09/13/2012 5:28 AM

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vanbacker wrote:
Only if every other school in the MWC says not interested, which will not happen. This move does nothing to help UI's chances of a conference berth. With none of the MWC schools interested in traveling to Moscow and playing in the KD why in the world would any BE school be interested? And if a MWC program did make the jump to BE, it still will not materially improve UI's chances of joining that conference.
I don't believe this to be true, although, I don't think playing in a 15k Kibbie Dome would be their first choice.

We have friends there.  We just need to give our friends there a bit of ammunition for these discussions - namely, a committment to athletics and a reasonably sized stadium.

 

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Posted: 09/13/2012 9:27 AM

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92Van wrote:
MartinD15 wrote:
tjb48 wrote:
Broncofan1970 wrote: Past years there were smaller conferences. ND will find it harder to schedule "Big 5" teams as conferences expand. This is a proactive step by ND. Smart move.

Bigger conferences split into two divisions = less conference games necessary.  Also, ND is potentially (likely) giving up some OOC games vs. the B1G.  I wouldn't call that smart.

My guess is that ND just couldn't stomach sitting at the conference table with a certain Pres/AD from an unnamed western college that begins with "bois_" and ends with "_tate."  I know they won't actually play each other in any sport, but just the thought of having to put up with him at conference meetings made ND run for the nearest Big East exit.  History tends to repeat itself (i.e. TCU, Utah, BYU, WVU, and now ND.  And that's just off the top of my head).
Hardly. It's a scheduling move more than anything. I have no idea why you think there are fewer conference games necessary. Everybody is playing at least 8, some 9 (PAC12, Big 12)... that leaves 3-4 games for those schools to schedule and most want a couple of patsies like Idaho to open the season with. Notre Dame won't do that so they needed the 5 guaranteed games (opposed to the 3 they were getting from the Big East) plus they can now get BC back on the schedule.

Likewise, this has little impact on the TV deal. Notre Dame isn't worth much outside of football and they weren't a football member.
ND already has Miami and BC on the schedule.  It is only 3 games.  They will continue to play Mich, Mich St, Prude, Navy, and USC every year.  ACC is a better fit and conference.  Stanford and BYU also are very interested in keeping a series going.  This move is all about ACC>>Big East.
Actually, no they don't have BC nor Miami on the schedule, and the current BYU deal ends after the '14 season.

It's five games, read the stories.

ND wants a west coast game every year which means that USC and Stanford are guaranteed. Michigan, Mich State and Purdue are also likely.

5 ACC
Navy
Mich
Mich St.
Purdue
USC
Stanford

That's 11 games... one spot open. Highly doubtful it's BYU when they've got Texas scheduled (a game that I'm sure Dodds would love to make annual).

I'm sure they looked at the ACC and would prefer games against Florida St., Clemson, Va Tech, BC, etc. Over the Big East and it's not like it's a secret that the ACC is very good academically.

The stupid thing about this is for months we've been hearing "Notre Dame won't mean anything to the Big East TV negotiations." now we're hearing "This hurts the Big East TV negotiations." So which is it? Were they an asset or not? I've always leaned toward 'not', but I guess we'll see.

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